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OSHA Requirements for a Bathroom | eHow
At the bottom are gender requirements. This is if you have employees.
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All Bathrooms Gender Neutral: Good Idea or Bad Idea?
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OSHA Requirements for a Bathroom | eHow
At the bottom are gender requirements. This is if you have employees.
CynthiaCypher
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Believe you me...we already have to put up with that.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Just have less than 15 employees. Then you can have your dream unisex bathroom.
CynthiaCypher
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Maybe they should be men's room supervised.
Boy, 13, raped in store toilets - News - The Independent
There are thousands of stories out there that say maybe we shouldn't let them use them with boys.
Now you want to put when in that danger? If you do, then you have no morals to speak of.
Yes. And I noticed how irrelevant they were to the OP, which specified "All bathrooms".
When I joined the UU we met in a tiny old church built before indoor plumbing. The single restroom wasn't even marked. When a new building was built they scattered one occupant restrooms around and just marked them "restroom". Problem solved.
But what works for small private operations won't necessarily work giant or less exclusive operations. MOMA or LAX are dealing with a very different population. Forcing everyone to share restrooms with everyone everywhere is political correctness run amok. Prioritizing the "comfort" of a vanishing small group at the expense of the comfort of the huge majority is ridiculous.
Tom
Because if a trans person doesn't cleanly fit into expected views of masculinity or femininity, they can be subject to harassment or assault.
Local codes will place additional restrictions.
When you develop real estate, you find they can regulate anything,
eg, business hours, plantings, lavatory make-up, wall color....
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Bureaucrats do love their codes and regulations.
CynthiaCypher
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You know, not all businesses or public places have restroom that are able to accommodate the morbidly obese fully. Toilets have been known to break under their weight and some have actually gotten stuck on the toilet because the bowl was too small. So now do we have to make special restrooms for the gender neutral but we also have to make sure they accommodate the morbidly obese.
At the UU church?
I don't think it happens often enough to require me to share restroom space with women.
You can't make everybody happy. It would be far more efficient to teach trans people how to get along with the rest of us than to inflict their phobias on everybody else. When I am taking a leak I don't pay much attention to the people around me.
I think it far more likely that women forced to share the space with any guy who chooses to join them there is going to result in more harassment and assault than limiting gender vague bathrooms to one holers with locks.
Tom
So do the PC police.
20 years ago I rented a new store. I had a good customer/artist who is quad. The "bathroom" was tiny, barely 3'x3', with a 20" door. I wanted him to be able to pee with privacy. So I tried to hire a contractor to rip out the walls, expand the space, and put in a 36" door. Never happened, it wasn't legal. I had to spend several thousand dollars or else leave things as they were. I had to replace the toilet with one 6" higher. I had to put in a sink that was wheelchair accessible, I had to replace the floor,.....
The end result was the guy had to go on peeing in my workshop. I was willing to sink about $1k into the project. Not much more. There just aren't that many quads and most of them don't buy what I sell.
Tom
Nymphs
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I've used many unisex bathrooms (ones with urinals + toilets). Never had a problem with pee-covered seats.
SkylarHunter
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Nymphs
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Never said I was forcing everyone, just that the idea of gender neutral bathrooms isn't going to cause the downfall of society and that they are already happening.
Nymphs
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How about we just treat people like human beings?
I've used many unisex bathrooms (ones with urinals + toilets). Never had a problem with pee-covered seats.
Good for you! However, I've never yet seen a women's bathroom in quite the same stinking-of-stale-pee-shambles as is typical for a men's bathroom. So maybe men clean up their act when using unisex facilities? Sounds implausible to me, but anything's possible.
Nymphs
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Anything is possible.
Well, the unisex facilities at my favorite nudist resort have always been pretty clean. And the door is always open, letting in fresh air -- except during bear season.
Never said I was forcing everyone, just that the idea of gender neutral bathrooms isn't going to cause the downfall of society and that they are already happening.
Feel free to reread the OP.
Notice the word "All".
Tom
I've seen disgusting women's rooms before. But besides toilets being clogged with urine, feces and toilet paper, you get the added bonus of blood with tampons as the cherry on top.