All Bathrooms Gender Neutral: Good Idea or Bad Idea?

[Nymphs]

I don't know what Pollyanna universe you are living in, but we cannot educate away predation in this one.

Actually, if you educate people on predation, educate people on the root causes, prevention, etc. you can at least stop some of it. But this thread isn't about that, now is that.

*Tsk Tsk Cynthia* No more red herrings.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So again, since taking predators out of school has not resulted in a cessation of child predation, we should let them back into the schools and try to find a different solution.

So we're back to sex offenders not being allowed to use public restrooms at all? Should they just go in their pants, then?

 

[Nymphs]

Would you send your five year old girl into that gender-neutral restroom at the gas station on the highway by herself at 10pm right after that big ole trucker (no offense to truckers)?

Why would anyone let a 5-year old go to the bathroom alone? They are 5.

 

[ChristineES]

The only place I see public bathrooms are at gyms and similar, where people shower. People don't normally shower at a restaurant, at least not in the places I've lived, these only have sinks, toilets and urinals (well, there aren't any urinals in the women's restrooms). Wouldn't a bathroom have a bathtub or a shower? The term is used interchangeably, but restrooms are what we usually use at public places and it appears to me that is what most of us are discussing.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

This thread is Identity Politics people at it's finest.

Oy vey.

 

[Skwim]

Like I said, it is a cultural term, like soda/pop/coke (which can all mean the same thing, depending on who you talk to).

If you are going to argue semantics, go ahead, but I won't answer. Semantics aren't the issue here, public restrooms/bathrooms are.

Thanks for answering. And, oh yes, semantics is the issue here---if nothing else, you made it one. Semantics is the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. And you yourself made just such a foray into semantics when you said, "the term is interchangeable depending on who you talk to." 'Tisn't cricket to run onto the field and bowl a ball at the batsman and then run off. But if that's how you play :slap: then I'll consider myself forewarned.

 

[Nymphs]

The only place I see public bathrooms are at gyms and similar, where people shower. People don't normally shower at a restaurant, at least not in the places I've lived, these only have sinks, toilets and urinals (well, there aren't any urinals in the women's restrooms. Wouldn't a bathroom have a bathtub or a shower? The term is used interchangeably, but restrooms are what we usually use at public places and it appears to me that is what most of us are discussing.

Semantics? Really.

If you want to discuss those, I'd suggest this thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/social-world/163091-names-words.html

Are you really going to focus on the term instead of the issue or unisex bathrooms/restrooms?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Actually, if you educate people on predation, educate people on the root causes, prevention, etc. you can at least stop some of it. But this thread isn't about that, now is that.

*Tsk Tsk Cynthia* No more red herrings.

You cannot educate away sociopathy. You cannot educate a sociopath. A sociopath does not need education, they tend to be smarter than the average bear, they educate you. Sociopaths walk amongst us. And they care who they hurt.

 

[Nymphs]

Thanks for answering. And, oh yes, semantics is the issue here---if nothing else, you made it one. Semantics is the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. And you yourself made just such a foray into semantics when you said, "the term is interchangeable depending on who you talk to." 'Tisn't cricket to run onto the field and bowl a ball at the batsman and then run off. But if that's how you play :slap: then I'll consider myself forewarned.

Me?

I'm not the one who brought up the bathroom/restroom issue. I just call it a bathroom because that's what I've always called them. Sometimes I'll use the word restroom, but it is rare. To see who brought it up, follow these posts:

Those are restrooms! There is a difference. Bathrooms are what you have in your house.

My family speaks proper English, and the terms are not interchangeable. A restroom is a public toilet, a bathroom is a room usually found in a domicile containing a bathtub or a shower and usually also a sink and a toilet.

A cultural term? It is ******* simple ******* English. I am sorry that you don't understand the ******* difference between an apple and a ******* orange.

Wow. Just wow.

If you are interested in semantics and words, check out this thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/social-world/163091-names-words.html

 

[Tumah]

So we're back to sex offenders not being allowed to use public restrooms at all? Should they just go in their pants, then?

I've already answered that.
So since we can't completely restrict them, we shouldn't restrict them at all?

Why would anyone let a 5-year old go to the bathroom alone? They are 5.

5 year olds are capable of using the bathroom on their own.

 

[ChristineES]

Why would anyone let a 5-year old go to the bathroom alone? They are 5.

Well, then, what about a 12-year-old? Believe it or not, there are some people out there who want to look lasciviously at others of the opposite sex while they go to the restroom and some who want to look at children. Most people aren't interested in that sort of thing, but a few are.

 

[Nymphs]

5 year olds are capable of using the bathroom on their own.

And if it was single-stall restroom (like which is mostly being referred to in this thread), why have a problem with that?

Any child in a public multi-stall bathroom should have a parent/guardian/family member with them to make sure there isn't any issues (whether it may be predators, bladder/colon issues, fear, etc.)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I've already answered that.
So since we can't completely restrict them, we shouldn't restrict them at all?

That's not what I was saying at all. Obviously they don't really care about those restrictions, anyway. As I said, the solution to that problem would have to be something unrelated to just restrooms.

 

[Nymphs]

Well, then, what about a 12-year-old? Believe it or not, there are some people out there who want to look lasciviously at others of the opposite sex while they go to the restroom and some who want to look at children. Most people aren't interested in that sort of thing, but a few are.

There is a huge difference between a 12-year old and a 5-year old. You are a mother, are you not? Are you claiming they are the same?

 

[ChristineES]

There is a huge difference between a 12-year old and a 5-year old. You are a mother, are you not? Are you claiming they are the same?

I meant that there are older children that CAN go to restroom alone but are still children.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, then, what about a 12-year-old? Believe it or not, there are some people out there who want to look lasciviously at others of the opposite sex while they go to the restroom and some who want to look at children. Most people aren't interested in that sort of thing, but a few are.

And some men do that with other men while in the restroom and even have sex with other men in restrooms. So should gay men not be allowed to use the men's room?

So many irrelevant points being spewed all over this thread, so little time.

 

[ChristineES]

Let's be clear: A bathroom is what I call the place in my home where I take a bath and which also contains a place to relieve oneself. A restroom, which we are speaking about, is a public place to relieve yourself along with hand-washing and hair-brushing.

 

[ChristineES]

And some men do that with other men while in the restroom and even have sex with other men in restrooms. So should gay men not be allowed to use the men's room?

So many irrelevant points being spewed all over this thread, so little time.

Good grief! All I said about this whole discussion is that I am uncomfortable with the thought of a person of the opposite sex in a restroom in this whole discussion. That statement you're quoting was about the difference between a 5-year-old and a 12-year-old and that is all. Others are debating that and I wasn't.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Me?

I'm not the one who brought up the bathroom/restroom issue. I just call it a bathroom because that's what I've always called them. Sometimes I'll use the word restroom, but it is rare. To see who brought it up, follow these posts:







If you are interested in semantics and words, check out this thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/social-world/163091-names-words.html

Is an apple a ******* orange just because they are both ******* fruits?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Let's be clear: A bathroom is what I call the place in my home where I take a bath and which also contains a place to relieve oneself. A restroom, which we are speaking about, is a public place to relieve yourself along with hand-washing and hair-brushing.

...and putting on makeup.