america?

[Valjean]

i don't need to clean it because i don't have it and my penis works better than an uncircimcised penis

This Political Debate's certainly taken a strange turn....

 

[Stevicus]

This Political Debate's certainly taken a strange turn....

A lot of political discussions do often turn into ****-waving contests, but this thread is taking the concept literally.

 

[Mock Turtle]

many can't pull down the foreskin but fact of the matter is that most people who are circumcised are feeling better with it even hindus whose religion don't tell them to be circumcised. circumcision is practiced in every advance country but you would just claim that it is religious although i don't think people in west are practicing religious people. what's the point of having a foreskin at all if you have to retractile it in order for the penis to work in any situation?

How do you know this? Have you researched the numbers involved, done a poll, or seen any surveys as to the experiences of those who are circumcised and those not - given that most will probably have had this done when young - so will likely be biased somewhat?

What's the point of a foreskin? Well, blame evolution for that, and seemingly it occurred to protect the more sensitive part. And at least one other primate, the chimpanzee (a cousin of ours), has a retractile foreskin too. But I suspect that this might bolster your argument - given that many of the religious want to place as much distance between humans and all other life.

 

[Pro Gamer]

How do you know this? Have you researched the numbers involved, done a poll, or seen any surveys as to the experiences of those who are circumcised and those not - given that most will probably have had this done when young - so will likely be biased somewhat?

What's the point of a foreskin? Well, blame evolution for that, and seemingly it occurred to protect the more sensitive part. And at least one other primate, the chimpanzee (a cousin of ours), has a retractile foreskin too. But I suspect that this might bolster your argument - given that many of the religious want to place as much distance between humans and all other life.

people go to school when they are young but that does not mean they are biased but rather they saw benefits of it in adulthood. in the same way people see benefits of circumcision. i have told you that people who are not religious or from a pagan religion can circumcised as well so what are they biased towards if their religion does not tell them to circumcise? penis head is not sensitive anymore if you circumcise so your argument falls down.

 

[Mock Turtle]

people go to school when they are young but that does not mean they are biased but rather they saw benefits of it in adulthood. in the same way people see benefits of circumcision. i have told you that people who are not religious or from a pagan religion can circumcised as well so what are they biased towards if their religion does not tell them to circumcise? penis head is not sensitive anymore if you circumcise so your argument falls down.

They might be biased by their culture - when such didn't know any better - like the USA, for example, and where the medical profession gain from doing such procedures. Elsewhere - Europe and many other countries - not so much, given that they are not swayed by any evidence as to its usefulness - this not being conclusive. Not even arguing against evolution then - as to such producing foreskins?

As to your last comment. What you are saying is that there is a change as to having circumcision.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

America is making the same mistakes again over its cold war against China.
It will end as usual with a bloody nose.
It will also lose the technical, scientific and financial war. And it's position as the world's trading and reserve currency, and It's hegemony.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Circumcision has not been the norm for many years in Europe or the UK.
It popularity among some people has increased with the availability of porn, as has the shaving of pubes.

It came to be promoted and became popular in Victorian times as an anti masterbation procedure.

 

[Yerda]

A lot of political discussions do often turn into ****-waving contests, but this thread is taking the concept literally.

 

[Pro Gamer]

They might be biased by their culture - when such didn't know any better - like the USA, for example, and where the medical profession gain from doing such procedures. Elsewhere - Europe and many other countries - not so much, given that they are not swayed by any evidence as to its usefulness - this not being conclusive. Not even arguing against evolution then - as to such producing foreskins?

As to your last comment. What you are saying is that there is a change as to having circumcision.

biased by what culture? people in usa and europe get circumcised. are you trying to claim that all medical professionals in usa are conspiracy theorist or something like that? evolution? you have not said any benefit of foreskin. penis head is not sensitive after circumcising infact you won't feel much if someone punches there because it becomes dry over time

 

[Mock Turtle]

biased by what culture? people in usa and europe get circumcised. are you trying to claim that all medical professionals in usa are conspiracy theorist or something like that? evolution? you have not said any benefit of foreskin. penis head is not sensitive after circumcising infact you won't feel much if someone punches there because it becomes dry over time

You should read your own comments. You said the penis head is not sensitive any more if you circumcise (#146) - so, implying that it is before any procedure, and this likely being so given that it is protected by the foreskin and less likely to be rubbing against clothing. And if it is more sensitive before circumcision then perhaps those who are circumcised have lost something - more sensitive feeling.

As to the rest, it is all down to numbers, as to who gets circumcised and who doesn't. The USA, as mentioned much earlier, is a bit of an anomaly (with regards many things) and the evidence produced by the medical profession might actually be biased, given that those elsewhere do not see the same benefits, if any, as some of the Americans. As to elsewhere, it is mostly the religious who have the procedure, so they might be biased too. As I said, the majority in many countries do not have the procedure - not seeing any value in having it done, and it encroaching on the rights of any child - such not being reversible. You just seem to ignore these points and just ramble on.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Estimation of country-specific and global prevalence of male circumcision - PMC

Male circumcision (MC) status and genital infection risk are interlinked and MC is now part of HIV prevention programs worldwide. Current MC prevalence is not known for all countries globally. Our aim was to provide estimates for country-specific ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Okay, here it is on circumcision from the National Institute of Health: overall, a little over 1/3 of males on earth have been circumcised. (For those who can't calculate, that means that a little under two-thirds of males are not circumcised.)

If you look at each country separately, you will find that as the prevalence of Judaism and Islam go up, so does the rate of circumcision. As the prevalence of Catholicism and Episcopalianism goes up, the rate of circumcision goes down -- so there is very definitely a religious factor at play.

According to NIH, there really are some benefits from circumcision (especially in hot countries), including the fact that being circumcised does indeed seem to slow the rate of AIDS and some other STD transmission. They do not, however, go quite so far as to recommend the procedure universally.

 

[pearl]

America isn't perfect, but removing the capital letter from the front is going a little too far, mate.

That's why the wording 'in order to form a more perfect union'.... It's never a done deal.

 

[pearl]

According to NIH, there really are some benefits from circumcision (

And these health benefits are recognized the older a male gets, and no longer able to care for himself properly.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Estimation of country-specific and global prevalence of male circumcision - PMC

Male circumcision (MC) status and genital infection risk are interlinked and MC is now part of HIV prevention programs worldwide. Current MC prevalence is not known for all countries globally. Our aim was to provide estimates for country-specific ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Okay, here it is on circumcision from the National Institute of Health: overall, a little over 1/3 of males on earth have been circumcised. (For those who can't calculate, that means that a little under two-thirds of males are not circumcised.)

If you look at each country separately, you will find that as the prevalence of Judaism and Islam go up, so does the rate of circumcision. As the prevalence of Catholicism and Episcopalianism goes up, the rate of circumcision goes down -- so there is very definitely a religious factor at play.

According to NIH, there really are some benefits from circumcision (especially in hot countries), including the fact that being circumcised does indeed seem to slow the rate of AIDS and some other STD transmission. They do not, however, go quite so far as to recommend the procedure universally.

To which I could reply:

What Do the WHO, NIH and Other Health Organizations Say About Circumcision? | KQED

Debate has erupted over a November ballot initiative in San Francisco that aims to ban circumcision of minors. In addition to ethical and religious concerns, the health implications of circumcision (and non-circumcision) are also part of the conversation. But before we examine that debate, let's...

www.kqed.org

 

[Pro Gamer]

You should read your own comments. You said the penis head is not sensitive any more if you circumcise (#146) - so, implying that it is before any procedure, and this likely being so given that it is protected by the foreskin and less likely to be rubbing against clothing. And if it is more sensitive before circumcision then perhaps those who are circumcised have lost something - more sensitive feeling.

As to the rest, it is all down to numbers, as to who gets circumcised and who doesn't. The USA, as mentioned much earlier, is a bit of an anomaly (with regards many things) and the evidence produced by the medical profession might actually be biased, given that those elsewhere do not see the same benefits, if any, as some of the Americans. As to elsewhere, it is mostly the religious who have the procedure, so they might be biased too. As I said, the majority in many countries do not have the procedure - not seeing any value in having it done, and it encroaching on the rights of any child - such not being reversible. You just seem to ignore these points and just ramble on.

penis head is sensitive before circumcising and sensitive head is not better but worse in any situation. penis head becomes dry and not sensitive towards pain(not sex) after circumcising. how do you know that evidences elsewhere are not biased? is it because of your own biase towards circumcision? i can show many "not religious" countries where circumcision are common

 

[Father Heathen]

For someone who denounces homosexuality, he certainly likes to talk about penis a lot.

 

[Mock Turtle]

penis head is sensitive before circumcising and sensitive head is not better but worse in any situation. penis head becomes dry and not sensitive towards pain(not sex) after circumcising. how do you know that evidences elsewhere are not biased? is it because of your own biase towards circumcision? i can show many "not religious" countries where circumcision are common

Unless you think evolution just does things for fun, I would suggest we have a foreskin for a reason - to protect the sensitive tip. Or don't you actually believe in evolution? As has been mentioned, circumcision seems to have had other origins as well as for religious reasons, and all can be wrong. No thoughts as to the rights of a child not to have such decisions made for them - especially when many other non-important bodily modifications would likely be banned until 18?

 

[Pro Gamer]

For someone who denounces homosexuality, he certainly likes to talk about penis a lot.

americans are supposed to be not intelligent

 

[Pro Gamer]

Unless you think evolution just does things for fun, I would suggest we have a foreskin for a reason - to protect the sensitive tip. Or don't you actually believe in evolution? As has been mentioned, circumcision seems to have had other origins as well as for religious reasons, and all can be wrong. No thoughts as to the rights of a child not to have such decisions made for them - especially when many other non-important bodily modifications would likely be banned until 18?

evolution did it for what reason? you have suggested nothing. your human right champion america also has circumcision in the country. why allow anything till 18? maybe not let them go to school till 18 because they can't make any choices? why let them pursue their interest unless they are over 18? why should you do anything beneficial for them in their childhood that would benefit them in adulthood as well?

 

[Mock Turtle]

evolution did it for what reason? you have suggested nothing. your human right champion america also has circumcision in the country. why allow anything till 18? maybe not let them go to school till 18 because they can't make any choices? why let them pursue their interest unless they are over 18? why should you do anything beneficial for them in their childhood that would benefit them in adulthood as well?

Not read the first sentence then? All the rest is just waffle.