We have different biases.
I prefer mine, eg, human rights for all.
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An Issue Of Valuing The Lives Of Others
- Thread starter Revoltingest
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I prefer mine, eg, human rights for all.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
The part where you're trying to wiggle out of what you said.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Which statement, specifically? The statement that Israel have killed ten times more people than Hamas did?You have just shown by your one-sided, biased and camel eating statement.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Why is it that when you can't respond to what I actually write, you make up something I never said and ascribe it to me?
You're bearing false witness, and you should feel ashamed.
Unfortunately that is not the world we have lived in...like ever and for all the conflicts that I have mentioned. Here are the numbers for USA.
Civilians Killed & Wounded | Costs of War
Why would we expect the USA to suddenly become a moral leader? And why would anyone listen?
I don't expect it.
I merely advocate for it.
It's a bit like Bahau's advocating for a world government. Expecting or hoping for countries in today's world to behave morally seems as unlikely as the second coming.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I was recently listening to a podcast discussion about this in which I think was a Marine talking about how he and his team went about planning attacks when he was serving. He said, if there were a situation in which they thought they could get one bad guy, amidst a huge population of civilians (as in the justification the IDF has given for bombing refugee camps), they would never carry out such an operation because the risks of killing innocent civilians would be much too high, and not worth the chance of taking out just one bad guy.Hamas uses hosptals (human shields) to house their command center
I’m sure to then blame Israel if innocent people are killed and others then say “WAR CRIMES"
IDF: Hamas’s terror command center built under Gaza’s main hospital - JNS.org
The Israeli military shares detailed information on how Hamas has turned hospitals into terror command centers and hideouts.www.jns.org
We all know Hamas are scumbags. We all know Hamas doesn't give a rat's behind about civilians and are quite happy to martyr them for the cause. But don't you think that should be taken into account when IDF is planning these attacks and maybe, just maybe don't specifically bomb areas where you know that innocent women and children have fled to for safety, just so you can maybe, take out one bad guy? Is that really worth it?
I mean, just because the other side of a conflict (the "bad guys") engage in terrible behaviour doesn't mean you should too. In fact, it's a pretty good sign you shouldn't.
On a side note, I don't blame Israeli citizens for the actions of their government. And I don't blame Palestinians for the actions of Hamas.
Some people hold those views but not the US State Dept and not me.
+The PLO cannot be reasoned with.
Violence is because of the PLO, but Gazans and West Bank-ers can be reasoned with and are reasoned qith. They also reason with Israel as well as produce their own propaganda as they see fit.
+Gazans are under the finger of Hamas and of Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Iran. No country wants them to migrate, because of the past experiences with the PLO. Hence Gazans are stuck in Gaza.
+Israel (the country) is a mixed secular and Jewish government.
+The Jews are the Jews, and Israel (the country) is not the Jews, but it is controlled by a Jewish majority, maintained permanently through policy. Tentatively it aims to be Jewish, but one miracle is first needed.
+Palestinians schools do teach the children to fight Israel. I don't think this is contested.
+Israel must accomplish a peace to be seen as legitimately Jewish. This will count as a religious miracle.
Infinitesimal progress is better than nothing.
Neither can Israel....so far.
I hope that eventually, both can be reasoned with.
But that can't happen until Israel grants human
rights to Palestinians.
I see Israel as the cause of violence.
The PLO exists only because of Israel's oppression.
I see the likelihood that Israel wants Palestinians
to leave Gaza so that it can become part of Israel.
That would explain the apartheid mentality.
I've not seen evidence offered.
Have any?
I'd shorten it to...
Israel should accomplish peace.
There won't be any progress. After the fall of USSR, USA had a brief window of opportunity to create and sustain a rule based world structure with fair mechanisms on what international actions can or cannot be done or supported. That has been squandered irrevocably. Every country today knows that what can or cannot be done is based on power and power alone and whose back you are scratching. So China and India seeks power at all costs, Russia tries to claw it back, Muslim fundamentalists seek to subvert it etc.
I wouldn’t disagree with your position - if it were that simple.
I am so used to responses like these.
Circular… we have already covered the points ad-nauseam.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Because you like to make false claims about people a lot?I am so used to responses like these.
A guy can hope.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
You said I made a biased, "camel-eating" statement.
I'll ask again: Which statement, specifically, was biased? Tell me.
Any further evasion will be an admission of dishonesty.
I advise against cooperating with
posters who try to deflect from the
issue by making it about you.