An Issue Of Valuing The Lives Of Others

[Revoltingest]

That is quite horrible, to say the least. Certainly room enough for criticism of Israel..

This baby step sounds like progress.

I am happy that there were survivors… it is a shame that there were almost no survivors for the babies, youth, pregnant moms, mothers, father, and grandfathers… Do you have any criticism for Hamas?

I've posted it.
You just don't read it....or you deny it.

But to elaborate, Hamas deserves less criticism
than Israel. For the oppressed to wage unconventional
warfare against the oppressor is less evil than for the
oppressor to kill an order of magnitude more of the
oppressed in retaliation.

Do you side with USA's government when it oppressed,
dispossessed, & massacred Indians, who then retaliated
with violently?

 

[Kenny]

This baby step sounds like progress.

I've posted it.
You just don't read it....or you deny it.

I wouldn’t have hurt you to tell me since I haven’t seen it.

But to elaborate, Hamas deserves less criticism
than Israel. For the oppressed to wage unconventional
warfare against the oppressor is less evil than for the
oppressor to kill an order of magnitude more of the
oppressed in retaliation.

Wow… that’s the best you can do?

 

[Kenny]

But to elaborate, Hamas deserves less criticism
than Israel. \

Why don’t we stop talking “second hand information”...

Let’s hear truth and reality!

This is what we are really dealing with. names have changed… not the hearts.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why don’t we stop talking “second hand information”...

Let’s hear truth and reality!

This is what we are really dealing with. names have changed… not the hearts.

Dueling videos isn't productive.
There's no disagreement about
Hamas's attack being deadly.
The disagreement is about Israel's
greater death dealing being war
crimes.

 

[John53]

WOW! Very creative! Your interpretation is simply… beyond human comprehension!

Yet you seem to have comprehended it just fine. Are you trying to tell me you're not human?

He’s on the side of humanity desiring to give life and more life more abundandtly

Ummm ok, wars, disease, natural disasters... he's not doing a good job.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ezekiel 18:23 “Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign LORD. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live.

EDITED::

God loves peace but the hardness of people’s hearts creates wars

There are no hearts harder than his believers.
Perhaps because his message contains so
much violence & vengeance, eh.

 

[Kenny]

Yes… human shields… and it is Israelis fault!

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/idf-israel-hamas/2023/11/06/id/1141215/

 

[Kenny]

Dueling videos isn't productive.
There's no disagreement about
Hamas's attack being deadly.
The disagreement is about Israel's
greater death dealing being war
crimes.

you, it would seem, didn’t listen to it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes… human shields… and it is Israelis fault!

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/idf-israel-hamas/2023/11/06/id/1141215/

It's clear that you want to find fault with Hamas.
That's easy to do. But to what end?
To justify Israel's intention to kill the human shields?

 

[Revoltingest]

you, it would seem, didn’t listen to it.

You appeared to be making a point
that isn't in dispute. So I skip videos
intended to add no information, but
only to demonize.
But if you actually had something of
value, it would pay to use more words
to elaborate why it's worth spending
time watching.

 

[Kenny]

It's clear that you want to find fault with Hamas.
That's easy to do. But to what end?
To justify Israel's intention to kill the human shields?

Or is it clear you want to white-wash Hamas.

 

[Kenny]

You appeared to be making a point
that isn't in dispute. So I skip videos
intended to add no information, but
only to demonize.

Yes… listening to truth would make you have to confront your position.

 

[Revoltingest]

Or is it clear you want to white-wash Hamas.

That is not clear.
Hamas's attack being massive & deadly just isn't in dispute.
But you dispute Israel's oppression of Palestinians, & Israel's
war crimes against them. This is our major difference.

 

[Kenny]

Yes… the light of truth exposes the lies purported to be truth...

Hamas member says they will repeat attacks until Israel is destroyed

Ghazi Hamad, a senior member of Hamas, has welcomed the large-scale attack on Israel on 7 October, during which civilians were killed en masse, and promised that the Palestinian terrorist group would repeat such attacks many times in the future until it destroyed Israel.

news.yahoo.com

Ghazi Hamad, a senior member of Hamas, has welcomed the large-scale attack on Israel on 7 October, during which civilians were killed en masse, and promised that the Palestinian terrorist group would repeat such attacks many times in the future until it destroyed Israel.

 

[Kenny]

That is not clear.

Clear to me

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes… listening to truth would make you have to confront your position.

You believe you have the "TRUTH", which
inoculates against alternative views. I have
only opinions & values about human rights
(for all people, not just Israelis & Jews).

 

[Revoltingest]

Clear to me

The biblical perspective offers
clarity instead of understanding.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It justifies nothing, but it does tend to explain why there are more civilian casualties in this particular confrontation - due to the very cynical nature of hiding amongst the civilian population. So clever of Hamas, and so detestable at the same time.

So you agree it's still wrong, then, to target civilian populations?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

When I see a war crime… I will point it out.

Then point out Israel's war crimes, not just Hamas'.

Stopping electricity to limit the capacity of Hamas is a strategic necessity, not a war crime.

Both false. There was nothing "strategically necessary" about cutting off power to an area populated by over two million civilians, and it is a war crime.

/ Robbing gas that keeps the lights on for the hospitals of your own people is a war crime.

Preventing gas from entering civilian areas is also a war crime.

Shooting missiles against military targets is no a war crime.

Shooting missiles into civilian-populated areas without sufficient reason is.

Placing military targets next to children and shooting missiles towards innocent people is a war crime.

I agree. They're both bad.

What part do you not understand?

The part where you deny the war crimes of one and not the war crimes of the other. You'll never see war crimes with this level of bias.

For example, as I have repeatedly pointed out now, the IDF is not JUST targeting military targets. For decades now, war crimes and illegal annexation have been occurring on the west bank despite the fact that Hamas do not control the west bank. If your argument is that Israel's war crimes are justified because of "strategic necessity" then please explain to me why they continue to commit war crimes against where Hamas aren't even located.

And if you fail to understand this, then answer this question: Do you think Israel would apply the same level of response if Hamas were hiding amongst a civilian population of Israelis and using them as human sheilds. Yes or no?

 

[Mock Turtle]

So you agree it's still wrong, then, to target civilian populations?

It is if it is explicitly directed at such, but unfortunately there will always be civilian casualties when targets exist within the population, unless you think this therefore guarantees whoever does this, like Hamas, immunity from attack? This kind of warfare is always bloody and messy.