..and not a drag queen among them.

[Father Heathen]

Actually I’m forcibly reminded of something that was hugely popular among my friends when we were kids, which is tangentially related to this discussion. Sort of lol

The Disney film Mulan (I’m talking the animated version. The live action version is dead to me lol.)
Not only did that show off the upper body of Shang for a long time (which would be sexualising, would it not?)
But that film had a woman crossdressing and quite literally pretending to be a man for like 3/4 of the movie.
Part of me wonders if that movie (the animated version) was released today, what ire it would draw. For being “woke” for demeaning men (I know it doesn’t, but I can see folks interpreting it that way) and indeed for having what is essentially a crossdressing female pretending to be male. Transgender propaganda, if you like.




As an aside, it does still amuse me that Shang is somewhat relieved to find out Mulan is a woman. Like he was actually not gay after all lol

Interestingly, female crossdressers, lesbians, or transmen don't seem to attract the same amount of attention or outrage from religious conservatives.

 

[SomeRandom]

Interestingly, female crossdressers or transmen don't seem to attract the same amount of attention or outrage.

That’s….true, now that I think about it.
Huh

I’m sure there’s dozens of essays from feminists lamenting this fact in pop culture

 

[fantome profane]

Can’t disagree.
I associate them with the Church Lady from is it SNL?

gasp, I am shocked, shocked I say. Do your realize that the Church Lady was actually a man in a dress!

*faints*

 

[Father Heathen]

I am uncomfortable with this since the advent of the idea that a man can literally become a woman. My view is that this is designed to further erode formerly conventional sexual norms. Can't we just let kids be kids? Why do we have to expose children to adult fetishes?

Gender dysphoria is a "fetish" now?

Also, does letting "kids be kids" extend to religious indoctrination or gun fetishism, flag fetishism, etc?

 

[SomeRandom]

gasp, I am shocked, shocked I say. Do your realize that the Church Lady was actually a man in a dress!

*faints*

Truely I have sinned beyond comprehension.
May I be forgiven my horrible transgression

 

[YmirGF]

Gender dysphoria is a "fetish" now?

*giggles* Um, no. For those in the slow lane, drag is almost certainly a fetish if ever there was one. Frankly, before this idiotic gender idea hit the market drag stayed in its lane, more or less, depending on how loaded the drag queen was, of course. (They do love their drugs.)
As a gay man, I recognize that (gay) drag performances promote a degenerate lifestyle that is probably not the best role model for young children.

Also, does letting "kids be kids" extend to religious indoctrination or gun fetishism, flag fetishism, etc?

Holy, whataboutism, Batman! After a month of enduring insipid "pride" flags everywhere (outside the Middle East, of course), I don't think either side has a leg to stand on. Put your bloody flags away already! Strange how we are to take pride in something as trivial as our gender & sexuality and yet it's practically evil to be proud of our country now.

 

[Father Heathen]

*giggles* Um, no. For those in the slow lane, drag is almost certainly a fetish if ever there was one. Frankly, before this idiotic gender idea hit the market drag stayed in its lane, more or less, depending on how loaded the drag queen was, of course. (They do love their drugs.)
As a gay man, I recognize that (gay) drag performances promote a degenerate lifestyle that is probably not the best role model for young children.

I guess I am slow, since I don't see what's degenerate of wearing their costumes and reading books, with parents in attendance. Obviously, it would be unacceptable if they were incorporating sex and drugs with it.

An aside, are you familiar with the "furry" subculture? There are some parallels, but probably not worth getting into if you're unfamiliar with it.

Holy, whataboutism, Batman! After a month of enduring insipid "pride" flags everywhere (outside the Middle East, of course), I don't think either side has a leg to stand on. Put your bloody flags away already! Strange how we are to take pride in something as trivial as our gender & sexuality and yet it's practically evil to be proud of our country now.

It's a matter of consistency, not whataboutism.

 

[YmirGF]

I guess I am slow, since I don't see what's degenerate of wearing their costumes and reading books, with parents in attendance. Obviously, it would be unacceptable if they were incorporating sex and drugs with it.

An aside, are you familiar with the "furry" subculture? There are some parallels, but probably not worth getting into if you're unfamiliar with it.

It's a matter of consistency, not whataboutism.

I have a passing awareness of furry so-called "culture" although calling it a culture is being a tad generous. Then again, there is somewhat harmless furry version and then there is more exhuberant adult furry version.

 

[Father Heathen]

I have a passing awareness of furry so-called "culture" although calling it a culture is being a tad generous.

Not culture; subculture. But if not that, what? Hobby? Community?

Then again, there is somewhat harmless furry version and then there is more exhuberant adult furry version.

Right. You have the innocuous animal costume wearing aspect, and then there is the sexualized fetish aspect of it. Why wouldn't drag be similar in that regard?

 

[YmirGF]

Not culture; subculture. But if not that, what? Hobby? Community?

a subculture is still a culture, just on a smaller scale

Right. You have the innocuous animal costume wearing aspect, and then there is the sexualized fetish aspect of it. Why wouldn't drag be similar in that regard?

I'm just concerned about people coming from this drug infused culture and being paraded in front of kids. Background checks? (All for it.)

 

[Father Heathen]

a subculture is still a culture, just on a smaller scale

Of course, but I don't see how the furry thing (as odd as it is) is any less of a subculture than any other?

I'm just concerned about people coming from this drug infused culture and being paraded in front of kids. Background checks? (All for it.)

All I know about them is from the Ru Paul Drag Race TV show, which my stepdaughters used to watch a lot.

 

[Kenny]

Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers Pt. 41

This is the 41st installment in the list of Republican sexual predators, abusers, and enablers who contribute to rape culture. These are people who abused their power or defended the abuse of power. These are not folks caught in consensual scandals...

www.dailykos.com

Thoughts?

Wolves in sheep's clothing... or should I say Dems in Republican clothing?

 

[Father Heathen]

Wolves in sheep's clothing... or should I say Dems in Republican clothing?

Really?

 

[fantome profane]

Wolves in sheep's clothing... or should I say Dems in Republican clothing?

Right, no "true" republican would do anything like that.

 

[icehorse]

I've never made such a claim, so...

I've never claimed this either, but let's inverse the question; why is anyone left of Mussolini considered extreme leftist, "socialist/communist", etc.?
By global standards, the democratic party is center right. Yes, there are people who are far left, albeit an insignificant fringe.

I agree, but sincerely, I'd like to know what beliefs or behaviors you consider to be "far left".

 

[Twilight Hue]

My sister happens to have some very huge gazungas that she has a difficult time covering up even with a full coverage t-shirt. I wonder if someone would object to her reading books to children.

I can only think of this scenerio in a school setting.....

 

[We Never Know]

If you think men in sexualised costumes hanging around infront of children isn't a problem, I can't help you further. Children ought not be exposed to anything sexual before the appropriate time around teenhood. If the benefit is reading to children, they can wear normal clothing.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

 

[SkepticThinker]

I can only think of this scenerio in a school setting.....

It's almost that bad. They've ... um escaped her bathing suit top on occasion (or two). We've all had an eyeful.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

*giggles* Um, no. For those in the slow lane, drag is almost certainly a fetish if ever there was one.

Likely, a fetish in both uses of the word. But that's okay; it's normal human ethology to take things as simple and practical as clothing and attach a sexual or spiritual connotation to it.

Frankly, before this idiotic gender idea hit the market drag stayed in its lane, more or less, depending on how loaded the drag queen was, of course. (They do love their drugs.)
As a gay man, I recognize that (gay) drag performances promote a degenerate lifestyle that is probably not the best role model for young children.

Drag is inherently tied to to both sexuality and entertainment in that it reverses expected social norms. It's sexy because its taboo, and its funny because its unexpected and often exaggerated. Drag has been a feature of both underground sexuality and children's entertainment for a long time.

In fact, it makes absolute sense from a pedagogical standpoint for drag performers to read to kids. They are natural performers, able to understand characterization, and their exaggerated and unexpected appearance is funny, attention-grabbing, and fun for kids. All these things are crucial in education. It's not so different from me dressing up as a cowboy or a pirate (both of which I have done, and both demographics also having some less-than-savory reputations either historically or in pop-culture) in order to teach history.

Holy, whataboutism, Batman! After a month of enduring insipid "pride" flags everywhere (outside the Middle East, of course), I don't think either side has a leg to stand on. Put your bloody flags away already! Strange how we are to take pride in something as trivial as our gender & sexuality and yet it's practically evil to be proud of our country now.

Sexuality and gender are by no mean trivial. Nor is the support we give to a group that has faced horrible treatment in the past and has every right to be prideful in a country whose ethos is built off of liberty and justice for all. Waving a pride flag with an American flag is about as American as one can get from the perspective of what America dresses itself out to be.

 

[YmirGF]

Likely, a fetish in both uses of the word. But that's okay; it's normal human ethology to take things as simple and practical as clothing and attach a sexual or spiritual connotation to it.



Drag is inherently tied to to both sexuality and entertainment in that it reverses expected social norms. It's sexy because its taboo, and its funny because its unexpected and often exaggerated. Drag has been a feature of both underground sexuality and children's entertainment for a long time.

In fact, it makes absolute sense from a pedagogical standpoint for drag performers to read to kids. They are natural performers, able to understand characterization, and their exaggerated and unexpected appearance is funny, attention-grabbing, and fun for kids. All these things are crucial in education. It's not so different from me dressing up as a cowboy or a pirate (both of which I have done, and both demographics also having some less-than-savory reputations either historically or in pop-culture) in order to teach history.

As long as there are criminal background checks and drug tests, I have little difficulty with this incredibly bad idea.

Sexuality and gender are by no mean trivial.

I'll have to remember this the next time someone wants to educate me on the proper usage of neopronouns.

Nor is the support we give to a group that has faced horrible treatment in the past and has every right to be prideful in a country whose ethos is built off of liberty and justice for all. Waving a pride flag with an American flag is about as American as one can get from the perspective of what America dresses itself out to be.

And thanks for making me dispise rainbows. I get that you folks are well-meaning and have the best of intentions or believe you do. Again, when talking to people that believe that a man can literally become a woman, stated with a conviction that approaches religous fanaticsm, it is hard to make any serious headway.

My fear is that you folks have unwittingly hatched a mental health crisis of epic proportions in your misguided efforts to help a tiny fraction of the population.