Another irrefutable proof that God created all things using mathematical induction. And a proof that The Bible is the word of God.

[Subduction Zone]

The Lord Jesus Christ is the most documented historical figure from ancient times.

Not even close. Unless one uses a very very lose definition of "documented". When it comes to evidence for him it is rather weak.

A man, whose career is a homicide detective, also analyzed the 4 gospel accounts using the same techniques that investigators use with eye witness records and determined that they are true eye witness accounts even to the very words of Jesus Christ.

The author is Warner Wallace. He did this starting as an atheist.

The book is Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels.

Lee Strobel was a an investigative reporter and tried to disprove the Bible and Jesus Christ. He was an atheist. He failed and become a believer.

His book is A Case for Christ.

Yes, another Liar For Jesus. If he did his criminal work like that he would have been quickly fired and would have had almost no convictions. The book does not do Christianity any favors. But you can try to use his arguments. We could all use a good laugh.

 

[McBell]

The Lord Jesus Christ is the most documented historical figure from ancient times.

Really?
Even with 90+% of his life unaccounted for?

 

[YoursTrue]

It should go without saying that everybody, with the exception Saved By The Lord and Yours True, is aware that Santa Claus refers to Saint Nicholas who was an actual historical person. I don't know why I bother to mention this, as I said it goes without saying.

lol, gotta laugh, thanks.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Really?
Even with 90+% of his life unaccounted for?

Why does that even matter?
His conception and birth is documented .
There are a few events before His ministry that are documented,
The names of most of His family members is documented.
His profession and that of Joseph is documented.

 

[ratiocinator]

Here is a reproducing RNA molecule.

C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C

Here is another reproducing RNA molecule.


A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A

Another baseless claim, and—rather comically—one that would disprove your own absurd assertions. Where is the scientific reference? I gave you the reference for the sequence I gave. If you want to know the details go to the paper:

Evolution in an RNA World

A longstanding research goal has been to develop a self-sustained chemical system that is capable of undergoing Darwinian evolution. The notion of primitive RNA-based life suggests this goal might be achieved by constructing an RNA enzyme that catalyzes ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You'll find the sequence in the diagrams, you need to look for its name: R3C (which I also pointed out).

Here is a hypothetical RNA sequence.

CAUGGAUCGAGACACGUUUAUGCCGCAUGUACAC

So what?

 

[Monty]

Why does that even matter?
His conception and birth is documented .

Nonsense. The gospels were written decades after he was executed by the Romans for sedition and claiming to be the Jewish king.
Do you have any evidence that the gospel writers witnessed his conception or discussed his conception with his mother and that she told them who his biological father was, and if he was Heli's son (Luke 3:23) or a Roman centurion or the milkman? Or are those stories about his conception just pure fantasy since they were written over seventy years after he was conceived, and long after his parents had died?

There are a few events before His ministry that are documented,
The names of most of His family members is documented.
His profession and that of Joseph is documented.

So why didn't he marry a woman instead of loving a particular disciple who laid on his breast (John 21:7 21:20)? And is that why he said nothing about homosexuality except to ask his followers to accept that some men do not marry because they are so born from their mothers' wombs (Matt 19:12)?

 

[Esteban X]

His conception and birth is documented .

The accounts of his birth in Matthew and Luke occur 10 years apart. That's one hell of a long labor

 

[SavedByTheLord]

The accounts of his birth in Matthew and Luke occur 10 years apart. That's one hell of a long labor

Please prove that .
Both record the same event so they occur at the same time.

 

[Esteban X]

Please prove that .
Both record the same event so they occur at the same time.

Matthew say that Jesus was born before the death of Herod the Great, which occurred 5 BC. Luke say he was born on the census held after Quirinius became governor of Judea which occurred 6 AD. Both accounts claim to record the same event. At least one of them must be wrong

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Matthew say that Jesus was born before the death of Herod the Great, which occurred 5 BC. Luke say he was born on the census held after Quirinius became governor of Judea which occurred 6 AD. Both accounts claim to record the same event. At least one of them must be wrong

Well I just searched for Quirinius in the King James Bible and that name is not there

 

[ratiocinator]

Well I just searched for Quirinius in the King James Bible and that name is not there

You're not even trying are you? It took just a few minutes to find out that that is because the transliteration of Κυρήνιος is Cyrenius in the KJV. This is another problem with thinking an English version of the bible is the prefect one.

Quirinius - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Publius Sulpicius Quirinius (c. 51 BC – AD 21), also translated as Cyrenius,[1] was a Roman aristocrat.​

...​

There is a reference to Quirinius in the Gospel of Luke chapter 2, which links the birth of Jesus to the time of the Census of Quirinius, although this contradicts the time of Jesus' birth described in the Gospel of Matthew, which is ten years earlier, under the reign of Herod the Great, who died in the year 4 BC.[15] The time of the census of Quirinius is also be inconsistent with Luke chapter 1, in which Herod is described as still being alive a little more than a year before Jesus's birth.​

Quirinius - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

QUIRINIUS kwĭ rĭn’ ĭ əs (Κυρήνιος, G3256, Luke 2:2). KJV CYRENIUS, sī rē’ nĭ es. The full name is Publius Sulpicius Quirinius. Transliteration into Gr., and then transliteration into Eng. without reference to the Lat., led to the mistaken form “Cyrenius” in KJV (Luke 2:2).​

 

[F1fan]

Why does that even matter?
His conception and birth is documented .
There are a few events before His ministry that are documented,
The names of most of His family members is documented.
His profession and that of Joseph is documented.

The Bible has no original copies, which as far as evidence goes is a serious liability. And the copies that do exist have massive numbers of discrepancies. The Bible has changed over time. And let'sd not ignore the inconsistencies in the ospelks, and the dubious history of how they were created and edited over time.

It would be one thing if the whole of the story of Jesus was believable at face value, but it is clearly an embellished work of a person who might have lived. It could be based on a collection of people at the time, we just don't know the truth. One thing we can dismiss is all the supernatural bits. There is no known supernaural phenomenon existing in reality, so we can't believe it.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

The Bible has no original copies, which as far as evidence goes is a serious liability. And the copies that do exist have massive numbers of discrepancies. The Bible has changed over time. And let'sd not ignore the inconsistencies in the ospelks, and the dubious history of how they were created and edited over time.

It would be one thing if the whole of the story of Jesus was believable at face value, but it is clearly an embellished work of a person who might have lived. It could be based on a collection of people at the time, we just don't know the truth. One thing we can dismiss is all the supernatural bits. There is no known supernaural phenomenon existing in reality, so we can't believe it.

There are over 80,000 witnesses of many different kinds and they are all remarkably in agreement.

 

[F1fan]

There are over 80,000 witnesses of many different kinds and they are all remarkably in agreement.

I’m not sure where you get this number, but who cares? The Bible isn’t a legal affidavit nor is what is printed factual. If it was then modern knowledge would be consistent with it. It isn’t. Even you interpret it all literally and none of what you claim is factual and true. You reject science due to religious beliefs, not knowledge.

 

[YoursTrue]

The accounts of his birth in Matthew and Luke occur 10 years apart. That's one hell of a long labor

How is that? Want to give "evidence" of your assertion? Maybe he was born on December 25th also, right? Also looking for @Colt 's answer -- Why Is Christmas Celebrated on December 25? | HISTORY

 

[Monty]

There are over 80,000 witnesses of many different kinds and they are all remarkably in agreement.

And how many of them witnessed his conception and birth and who his biological father was, and whether it was actually in Nazareth?

 

[F1fan]

How is that? Want to give "evidence" of your assertion? Maybe he was born on December 25th also, right? Also looking for @Colt 's answer -- Why Is Christmas Celebrated on December 25? | HISTORY

Along with Easter which was a pagan spring holiday, Christians abducted the winter holiday from the pagans. The egg and rabbit of Easter are pagan fertility symbols. The yule log is also pagan.

 

[Bthoth]

And how many of them witnessed his conception and birth and who his biological father was and whether it was in Nazareth?

That is how I see it. WHO heard the dreams of mary and joseph? Where did either of them write the account?

Same with genesis.... who was there to witness a serpent talking to them?

Who could write the actual accounts that so many have claimed to be by god?

answer: Scribes and pharisee are who wrote the stories and then claimed that they were from god. Then after them, leaders of the various time periods rewrote with revisions, to revise the previous revised revisions of the story telling.

 

[Monty]

That is how I see it. WHO heard the dreams of mary and joseph? Where did either of them write the account?

Same with genesis.... who was there to witness a serpent talking to them?

Who could write the actual accounts that so many have claimed to be by god?

answer: Scribes and pharisee are who wrote the stories and then claimed that they were from god. Then after them, leaders of the various time periods rewrote with revisions, to revise the previous revised revisions of the story telling.

At least the writers of Mark don't try to link his ancestry to David and Abraham through his biological and adoptive fathers, and to the Rivers of Babylon.

 

[YoursTrue]

That is how I see it. WHO heard the dreams of mary and joseph? Where did either of them write the account?

Same with genesis.... who was there to witness a serpent talking to them?

Who could write the actual accounts that so many have claimed to be by god?

answer: Scribes and pharisee are who wrote the stories and then claimed that they were from god. Then after them, leaders of the various time periods rewrote with revisions, to revise the previous revised revisions of the story telling.

Scribes are not the authors. Neither were the Pharisees. It's beyond them. Take care, have a good one.