What lie?
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Anti-gay baker now takes stand against birthdays for trans people
- Thread starter 9-10ths_Penguin
- Start date
I support directives against denying people service based on many immutable characteristics. I support allowing service providers to decide which purposes they will give service for.
If I, a straight normal Christian white guy came up and ordered a transiversary celebration cake and they made it for me, then we'd have the sort of discrimination I'm against, because then I would be served and another wouldn't based on those aforementioned immutable characteristics.
What I quoted.
74x12
Well-Known Member
You clearly didn't read the article as the cake was made blue on the outside and pink on the inside to celebrate transgenderism. It obviously wasn't just a birthday cake.
74x12
Well-Known Member
Did you even read the article?
Shad
Veteran Member
I assume your view is TG is not an immutable characteristic as there would be a conflict between the two expressed views. Thanks for honest answers
Your assumption is incorrect, all evidence points to gender dysphoria being immutable at the sort of age where one might buy their own cake. I even clarified how the current refusal could be shown to be that sort of discrimination.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I can assure you that Mormons will not only sell you Pepsi; they'll also drink it, and there's nothing in their religion that tells them not to. Of course, the smart Mormons drink Coke instead.
Cacotopia
Let's go full Trottle
It also forbids poly/cotton blends, shellfish and bacon double cheeseburgers. Now, I've gotten the retort "but in Acts ... Jesus said no food is unclean". Okie-fine, but he also said not one jot or tittle of the Law would be erased until Heaven and Earth pass away. So that means poly/cotton blends are still an abomination, as are planting peppers, tomatoes and squash in the same field. Millions of Italians (Catholics no less!) are on the express to hell. My point is the cherry-picking and hypocrisy many "Christians" exhibit.
I find that this is perhaps the one thing I have to repeat the most to Christians. That Jesus didn't make some new contract with the people.
And I so hoped Mormons to favor Pepsi over Coke... oh the pain.
What do you mean by that? Does it have some sort of weapon hidden inside it or what?
What about it is a lie?
It’s not a direct quote, but it seems to me to be a fair paraphrasing.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Very good points - especially that last statement.
If you follow your conscience, why should I get vexed with you?
Whatever happened to, "Well I don't agree with you, but I respect that you have the right to your own choice - whatever the consequences."?
I believe it is important to share our views, and even to try to reason with persons, if they are open to such, but everyone will make their own choices.
I personally do not discriminate against persons for their choice - even if I think the choice is bad.
When I call at a home to share a Bible message with the occupants, I do not say to myself, 'I wonder if these people are gay. Let me find out before speaking with them.' "Sir / Ma'am, are you gay?" "Yes? Okay. Goodbye."
Every house to me, is a house occupied by a person - whether they be a thief, a murderer, a prostitute... I don't know, and that's not my business.
I actually spoke to robbers without knowing, and three persons who committed murder.
If a beggar asked me for two dollars, I don't say, "Well, are you gay?" "Yes? No." That's not my business. I see a person before me.
If I am selling a product, I don't care who buys - gay or straight.
If they want me do do something for them, that goes against what I believe violates my conscience, then it's my right to say No.
We interact with people everyday, and don't know if they are rapist, or murderers. They may be dressed the best way, and have the darkest heart. That 's okay as far as that goes.
If I feel however, that I am doing something against my conscience, then I don't do it.
For example, will i invite any and everyone into my home because they say they need shelter? No. That's my decision - no matter who thinks I am being cruel.
I have the right to make decisions that sit well with me, and that I think will not harm me or my family either physically or spiritually.
That's me.
Everyone has the same right imo.
Well...I know a country village with 8,000 inhabitants where there are at least three patisseries.
By the way, these stories aren't that credible, imho...because usually it's other people who order a birthday cake for...I don't know...a surprise party.
InChrist
Free4ever
Correct, Jesus didn't make a new contract. He completely fulfilled the original as no ever could or ever can.
And in my town of ~30,000, plus the towns immediately around it, there are only two bakeries that do custom cakes. Both get busy, so there’s a good chance that on a given weekend, only one will be available.
I don’t doubt that she tried to order the cake there to see if the shop was still breaking the law. I don’t see anything wrong with that; do you?
InChrist
Free4ever
A birthday is the anniversary of the date when a person is physically and biologically born. So there's no birthday "of sorts", besides she stated that she also wanted the cake to ... seventh anniversary of when she came out as transgender.
That it is a purposefully mendacious characterization.
Let's be better than that. We both know he objected to baking a cake celebrating a "transition" not a birthday.
I suppose if I offered to give 1000$ to a charity if I could slap you with a metal pipe and you objected, it would be fair to headline your response as "9-10th penguin objects to giving 1000$ to charity", right?
Have fun with that.