Anti-gay baker now takes stand against birthdays for trans people

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Link here to the disastrous health effects of choosing to be queer.
Mental Health in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) Youth

A more accurate assessment (as opposed to your hate speech):

Belonging to LGBT in a predominantly hate-filled True Christian™ culture can lead to depression suicide and worse.

And your hateful posts expose this for what it is: hate.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The ideology is just as damaging as the physical representation of it.

Indeed: You just described YOUR hate speech.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Again you falsely assume persons are born gay.
Children gain attractivenesses of the opposite sex during pubescent age.
Only perverted thoughts turn you gay and it is of free will.
There is no gay chemical that makes your gay unless your continued perversion of the human mind alchemical produces the new chemical out of oportunity

Hate speech again. You just can't help yourself, here but to express your seething hate for people different from you.

Sickening.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You people disgust me

What do you know? Something we can agree upon... mutual disgust, that is.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Not looking for a “convert,” just equal treatment.

You know it's a case of The Privileged, when mere equality is seen as "taking away rights"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Who gets to define 'ethically?'

Society, according to a few fundamental principles.

... and I bet even you would agree with some of those principles. For instance, do you agree that the Golden Rule is an ethical principle?

Why do you get to define 'ethics' for anybody but you?

“Ethics” describes certain rules or principles that govern human interaction. They’re never a purely subjective thing.

... though I’m not the one defining ethics; I’m just the one pointing out that ethics exists.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's the problem. Which minority is being protected here?

It seems to me that we have two minorities. I object to any idea that one minority has the right to force another one to do something that is against his deepest beliefs.

Do you really? Let’s test that:

Say a baker has a religious objection to proper handwashing; do you think they should be allowed to keep doing business with the public?

Or say that, for religious reasons, a Buddhist monastery has decided that they need to feed one of their recently-deceased monks to vultures and you live next to where they plan to do it.

(FYI - this is a real thing: 5 Insane Beliefs of the World's Major Religions | Cracked.com)

Are you on board with both of those? Or are you only interested in religious freedom for people you identify with?

 

[sojourner]

It is important in that for a market economy to operate fairly (and not generate wasteful inefficiencies) it should not be weighted by organized bias. And in this Information Age one example can get broadcast and ignite a firestorm of bias.

Now if the customer-service provider interaction goes sour due to a lack of tact or misunderstanding or what not, then that particular interaction should be allowed to form a basis for refusal of service.

Perhaps an individual bakers scruples might be overcome if there is a referral by any service provider to another equivalent one within a reasonable distance. That way the service provider ensures that the customer isn't unreasonably excluded from the marketplace.

No, I’m afraid that’s a slippery slope. How many bakers should one be referred to, if no one wants to serve you? How many hospitals should one black be referred to? How many country clubs should one Jew be referred to? How many jobs should one woman have to apply for?

 

[sojourner]

Blame the straight male because he is straight.

You people disgust me

No, blame the straight male involved because he is privileged and entitled and a jerk.

The feeling is mutual with regard to the ethic you present here.

 

[sojourner]

If you think that, you have DEFINITELY not been paying attention. The last thing on earth you want to be if you wish to get anywhere in politics is a white, straight, "Christian" Protestant.

I give you Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Roy Blunt, and the least qualified candidate to ever sit in the White House: He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. And every president other than Obama. Politics is overrun with White, cis, male, Protestant Christians. And they’re going around dismantling every protection for vulnerable people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

and the least qualified candidate to ever sit in the White House: He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.

Trump isn't what's his name from Harry Potter or Beetlejuice. He doesn't need anymore empowerment, especially people acting in a way his supporters will perceive as fearful and immature.

 

[sealchan]

No, I’m afraid that’s a slippery slope. How many bakers should one be referred to, if no one wants to serve you? How many hospitals should one black be referred to? How many country clubs should one Jew be referred to? How many jobs should one woman have to apply for?

The referral would have to be to someone who would not have the same objections. It's the sort of thing a business should do because that is a level of customer service that should be achievable if possible by any company.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Trump isn't what's his name from Harry Potter or Beetlejuice. He doesn't need anymore empowerment, especially people acting in a way his supporters will perceive as fearful and immature.

I wanted to click "Winner" and "Funny" on your most excellent post-- alas, I do not have a Sock Account, so I went with "Funny".

Brilliant observation on your part. And I agree with you, which is why I never capitalize his name, regardless of how I spell it. If I need to re-arrange a sentence, to preserve capitalize the first word? I will do so. Adding a simple "The" at the beginning usually works.

 

[sojourner]

Trump isn't what's his name from Harry Potter or Beetlejuice. He doesn't need anymore empowerment, especially people acting in a way his supporters will perceive as fearful and immature.

I refuse to refer to him as “president.”

 

[sojourner]

The referral would have to be to someone who would not have the same objections. It's the sort of thing a business should do because that is a level of customer service that should be achievable if possible by any company.

No, the level of expected customer service should be that you Serve. The. Customer — no matter how you “feel” about him/her.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I refuse to refer to him as “president.”

Do facts bother you?

 

[sojourner]

Do facts bother you?

Not at all. I simply refuse to accord him the courtesy of the title, because of his character and his actions. I won’t even call him “mr.”

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not at all. I simply refuse to accord him the courtesy of the title, because of his character and his actions. I won’t even call him “mr.”

There are a number of Christians, and Churches, who though they disapprove of same-sex marriage they support it legally because they realize the tides are changing, and when they are in weaker position they don't want people sending them to the chopping block. And they're right. The tides are changing and the spotlight is squarely on those Christians and Churches fighting against same-sex marriage.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not at all. I simply refuse to accord him the courtesy of the title, because of his character and his actions. I won’t even call him “mr.”

I will call him President, though I tend to put the upper case letter in his last name in the wrong place.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The referral would have to be to someone who would not have the same objections. It's the sort of thing a business should do because that is a level of customer service that should be achievable if possible by any company.

You do realize that religious people have objected to even that second-rate sort of accommondation, right?

Doctors who object to treatment on moral grounds must give referral: court