Anti-Islamic Sentiment on RF

[301ouncer]

I am not sure what you are getting at here as I do not think that any of these people are superior to Muslims.
I can answer this though: when people act out of hate or cause others deliberate suffering it is because they are ignorant and spiritually immature.

So why critisize muslims for defending themselves and their childeren from WMD destructive sex and wars but do not critizes your forefathers. Or do you forget to do that?

Why you say to musllms in your above post why the hate? why the kill? but do not say the same thing abour your forefathers?

Why the hypocracy?

 

[301ouncer]

Oh ok. That's much different to what I thought but good to have it clarified.
Is this because you are under Satan's control? Or is God simply unforgiving? Why is it impossible to redeem yourself from the mistakes of a single life that is so utterly influenced by the conditioning environment?

That is why GOD gave you the best of all of his gifts. Your reasoning and your faculty of reasoning. If you reject to apply your faculty of reasoning when the truth is showen to you then GOD is free from all blames. Wether you have only 1 life or 301 lifes will not make a difference. You have to set aside your predjuice, arrogance,etc to the side and use your reasoning to distinguish the truth from falsehood.

Your choice. Do not blame GOD.

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[Madhuri]

So why critisize muslims for defending themselves and their childeren from WMD destructive sex and wars but do not critizes your forefathers. Or do you forget to do that?

Why you say to musllms in your above post why the hate? why the kill? but do not say the same thing abour your forefathers?

Why the hypocracy?

Perhaps you are aiming this question at those who actually defend these other personalities. Who says that I do not? Where have I shown hypocrisy? I am asking here to Muslims because you are here now and I am talking to you. I can't ask my dead forefathers who did stupid things. However I, and many others, have criticised what our ancestors have done. For example, the treatment of the Australian Aboriginal people. Many, if not most, condemn the treatment by the English onto the indigenous people. I can also recognise that like everyone else, the violence committed by this group and nay group is the result of severe ignorance.

 

[.lava]

Oh ok. That's much different to what I thought but good to have it clarified.
Is this because you are under Satan's control? Or is God simply unforgiving? Why is it impossible to redeem yourself from the mistakes of a single life that is so utterly influenced by the conditioning environment?

people need free will to ask for forgiveness. but free will is taken away when we die. so if someone should ask for forgiveness, he needs to do it while he is still alive. when seals are broken everyone sees the truth, unfortunately it is pointless to ask for forgiveness when unseen appears before your eyes

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[Aquitaine]

Not just homos. Ah homus is such a nice dish. They love them in lebanon. Humus. Have you tasted it?

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I think you may have loaded the wrong Personality Chip by accident or something?

 

[Madhuri]

That is why GOD gave you the best of all of his gifts. Your reasoning and your faculty of reasoning. If you reject to apply your faculty of reasoning when the truth is showen to you then GOD is free from all blames. Wether you have only 1 life or 301 lifes will not make a difference. You have to set aside your predjuice, arrogance,etc to the side and use your reasoning to distinguish the truth from falsehood.

Your choice. Do not blame GOD.

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Who is blaming God? Certainly not me. I do not believe the things about God that you do. Reason is indeed a gift. However, what God neglected to give us is the ability to recognise truth simply by reading a book. We must rely on our reasoning and life experiences. Through reason and my intelligent capacity, I have concluded that it is useless and a waste of energy and time to hate anybody. My experience of God is the way he guides me in my heart. I know from this that love and tolerance is good, is right, and that hate and prejudice will only lead to bad things.

 

[Madhuri]

people need free will to ask for forgiveness. but free will is taken away when we die. so if someone should ask for forgiveness, he needs to do it while he is still alive. when seals are broken everyone sees the truth, unfortunately it is pointless to ask for forgiveness when unseen appears before your eyes

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This is such a foreign concept to me.
Does that mean that you do not have free will in Heaven?
I cannot grasp how this system is fair in any way

 

[.lava]

This is such a foreign concept to me.
Does that mean that you do not have free will in Heaven?
I cannot grasp how this system is fair in any way

why would not people have free will in heaven? that's a place known as where you do whatever you want to do

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[Madhuri]

why would not people have free will in heaven? that's a place known as where you do whatever you want to do

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It is only that you said that people lose their free will when they die.
Are there no limits to what you can do in heaven? What things can you do in heaven that you cannot do here and why?

 

[gnostic]

why would not people have free will in heaven? that's a place known as where you do whatever you want to do

Are you sure that you do anything you want? Or are there rules in heaven, which you can't do?

 

[.lava]

It is only that you said that people lose their free will when they die.
Are there no limits to what you can do in heaven? What things can you do in heaven that you cannot do here and why?

yes, that's what i say. it is a very long story but i'll try to summarize it maybe it would make it easier to underdstand why i say that. end of universe begins with end of kinetic energy. as it goes off, time slows down and eventually stops. then bigbang incident happens on reverse. time would reverse like a video tape or something. the last person who dies becomes the first person who wakes up and the first person who died would be the last one who stands again. when all the planets and stars collide and becomes one single point, there would be just one place that has gravity and people would be drifted there, all of them. each person would witness his own life time, it would be perceive in a very short time. everyone would clearly see negative degrees and positive degrees they earn and they would agree with what they earn. this is called judgement. what i write until now is special because no person would be spared from this. Prophet or not, good or bad...people would not be able to chose between being there or not. every single human being would be treated as equal. this is why i say, free will is taken away by death.

we have lots of information about heaven and hell. but i try to avoid those subjects. there is only one thing i can say about heaven. you know, now we have egos, weaknesses, desires and fears that's rooted in ego. in heaven people would be cleaned from vices of ego. so one would have free will, that is not to say he would desire for the same things he desired on Earth. this is one of the reasons why i find people talking about 72 virgins very funny. they all see through their egos and vices of ego.

i hope i answered your question, Madhuri

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[Madhuri]

yes, that's what i say. it is a very long story but i'll try to summarize it maybe it would make it easier to underdstand why i say that. end of universe begins with end of kinetic energy. as it goes off, time slows down and eventually stops. then bigbang incident happens on reverse. time would reverse like a video tape or something. the last person who dies becomes the first person who wakes up and the first person who died would be the last one who stands again. when all the planets and stars collide and becomes one single point, there would be just one place that has gravity and people would be drifted there, all of them. each person would witness his own life time, it would be perceive in a very short time. everyone would clearly see negative degrees and positive degrees they earn and they would agree with what they earn. this is called judgement. what i write until now is special because no person would be spared from this. Prophet or not, good or bad...people would not be able to chose between being there or not. every single human being would be treated as equal. this is why i say, free will is taken away by death.

we have lots of information about heaven and hell. but i try to avoid those subjects. there is only one thing i can say about heaven. you know, now we have egos, weaknesses, desires and fears that's rooted in ego. in heaven people would be cleaned from vices of ego. so one would have free will, that is not to say he would desire for the same things he desired on Earth. this is one of the reasons why i find people talking about 72 virgins very funny. they all see through their egos and vices of ego.

i hope i answered your question, Madhuri

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Yes, I think I understand what you were saying now. Thank you
The thing that I do not understand is the reason for keeping people in hell eternally. It doesn't seem fair. It is hard to think of a God of Love who would create such a system. But I do not truly understand the Muslim perspective on this.

 

[.lava]

Are you sure that you do anything you want? Or are there rules in heaven, which you can't do?

hi i just replied to Madhuri and tried to explain it. no limitation to what you want. but people would not have vices. i personally do not know who i would be and what i would want if i was free from vices

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[Madhuri]

hi i just replied to Madhuri and tried to explain it. no limitation to what you want. but people would not have vices. i personally do not know who i would be and what i would want if i was free from vices

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Probably to show love and serve others

 

[.lava]

Yes, I think I understand what you were saying now. Thank you
The thing that I do not understand is the reason for keeping people in hell eternally. It doesn't seem fair. It is hard to think of a God of Love who would create such a system. But I do not truly understand the Muslim perspective on this.

yes. eternity belongs to God alone. hell and heaven are not eternal. the time would be spend there considered as "forever" because it is a very long time (try to imagine if a day lasted for 100.000 days -for the record, i am making up these numbers-but that's the reason why, i just can't recall numbers correctly)

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[Madhuri]

yes. eternity belongs to God alone. hell and heaven are not eternal. the time would be spend there considered as "forever" because it is a very long time (try to imagine if a day lasted for 100.000 days -for the record, i am making up these numbers-but that's the reason why, i just can't recall numbers correctly)

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I am learning many new things! So you do not even spend eternity in heaven? After some time everyone's consciousness become permanently erased (so to speak)?

 

[.lava]

I am learning many new things! So you do not even spend eternity in heaven? After some time everyone's consciousness become permanently erased (so to speak)?

perhabs everything ends and God remains alone in eternity. i don't know how it's going to be like. it is little complicated because God is out of time. therefor verses about heaven and hell are written in past tense. it is already over for God but we are not there yet. it is like, for God heaven and hell are already gone, judgement day is over OR Adam SAW has just created or not created yet. out of time, little confusing to me. i don't know how we would experience "forever" or how it would be like. even now, this life i am having feels like forever. can't imagine real forever

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[kai]

Honour Killings i believe are tribal/cultural and yes there's lots of tribes out there.That can be overcome with education and modernisation.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543392



homosexuality however or the committing of a homosexual act is a big factor in the reason why Islam and the west will never be able to accommodate each other its something i dont think either side can ignore. I think that's a fact.



http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...nglish-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar

I think it was Maro who laid out that there had to be 4 witnesses etc so in a "real" Islamic state you would be hard presses to find any occurances of punishments. But the fact is the punishments would be there . Dont get fooled into thinking that Iran and its crane hanging is representative of Islam , its representative of Iranian authority.

 

[YmirGF]

You free to believe what to believe. But to call people foolish is outright disrespectfull.

You fail to understand that your opinions are unacceptable and are not worthy of any form of respect, by any thinking, feeling being with an iota of humanity running in their veins.

Same sex education in the anti-christ system to a child is like watching a homosexual WMD sex. They might as well give them a trip to a homo cinema and call it a school trip.

If anyone needs a reason to speak out against Islam, the above is perhaps a perfect example.

 

[.lava]

If anyone needs a reason to speak out against Islam, the above is perhaps a perfect example.

why?

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