Anti-Islamic Sentiment on RF

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Well, theres another hadith with the same meaning. I dont have time to find itn but I'll tell you what it says in general; it says that the prophet peace be upon him said to his companions that there will be a time that all the nations will be gathered on us, like people gathering on a meal to eat it, so the companions asked : Is it because we'll be few ( in number)? He replied ; no, you'll be in large numbers , and your ennemy will not be afraid of you anymore, and Allah will put wahan in your hearts, they then asked ; what is wahan ? To which he replied ; the love of the worldly life and the hate of the death.

Wait, I just realised that you were talking about the 72 sects while Im here trying to explain the part of weakness of the islamic nation .

Well, I dont know what do you mean by the interpration? I think the meaning is quite obvious, or maybe you're asking about which is the right section today?

Sorry for the confusion

 

[.lava]

Well, theres another hadith with the same meaning. I dont have time to find itn but I'll tell you what it says in general; it says that the prophet peace be upon him said to his companions that there will be a time that all the nations will be gathered on us, like people gathering on a meal to eat it, so the companions asked : Is it because we'll be few ( in number)? He replied ; no, you'll be in large numbers , and your ennemy will not be afraid of you anymore, and Allah will put wahan in your hearts, they then asked ; what is wahan ? To which he replied ; the love of the worldly life and the hate of the death.

Wait, I just realised that you were talking about the 72 sects while Im here trying to explain the part of weakness of the islamic nation .

Well, I dont know what do you mean by the interpration? I think the meaning is quite obvious, or maybe you're asking about which is the right section today?

Sorry for the confusion

according to our teachings there would be 73 sections but in apperiance there would be 72. 73rd section would be people from all sections who live Islam correctly so 73rd section would be kind of unseen

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[England my lionheart]

Well, theres another hadith with the same meaning. I dont have time to find itn but I'll tell you what it says in general; it says that the prophet peace be upon him said to his companions that there will be a time that all the nations will be gathered on us, like people gathering on a meal to eat it, so the companions asked : Is it because we'll be few ( in number)? He replied ; no, you'll be in large numbers , and your ennemy will not be afraid of you anymore, and Allah will put wahan in your hearts, they then asked ; what is wahan ? To which he replied ; the love of the worldly life and the hate of the death.

Wait, I just realised that you were talking about the 72 sects while Im here trying to explain the part of weakness of the islamic nation .

Well, I dont know what do you mean by the interpration? I think the meaning is quite obvious, or maybe you're asking about which is the right section today?

Sorry for the confusion

Yes i agree that its seemingly quite obvious,but in what way should Muslims be like Muhammed and the companions,i have been told,and it makes some sense that his path and that of the jammahs (i think that means main body of Muslims) is the only path.
Now confusion takes over,or so it seems as there are as you know different schools and sects of Islam yet here in the hadith its pretty clear whats expected.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

You know, the word sections refers to difference in fundamentals , as for difference of opinions than it is permitted in Islam and moreover its a mercy for muslims, because each muslim has his cultural background and scholars must deal with that without transgressing the fundamentals.

For example, in the sunni path ( which I believe is the right one) there are different schools , ex; shafi'i , maliki, hanbali , those are not labels that make people say " Im hanbali, im better than you , you shafi'i " , no those labels are made in relation to famous and well grounded scholars in Islam , just a simple example is the difference in prayer in where to put hands in the first part; on your chest , or just release them. If you go to mosquees, you can find two muslims adhering to different schools while sticked together in prayer in the rank.

Regarding 73 sections, those are supposed to mean sections like : sunni, shi'i , ash'ari etc , meaning that 72 of them are twisting hadeeths or contradicting the fundamentals.

I really hope what I said was clear, because its 1:12 am here and my english sucks

 

[England my lionheart]

You know, the word sections refers to difference in fundamentals , as for difference of opinions than it is permitted in Islam and moreover its a mercy for muslims, because each muslim has his cultural background and scholars must deal with that without transgressing the fundamentals.

For example, in the sunni path ( which I believe is the right one) there are different schools , ex; shafi'i , maliki, hanbali , those are not labels that make people say " Im hanbali, im better than you , you shafi'i " , no those labels are made in relation to famous and well grounded scholars in Islam , just a simple example is the difference in prayer in where to put hands in the first part; on your chest , or just release them. If you go to mosquees, you can find two muslims adhering to different schools while sticked together in prayer in the rank.

Regarding 73 sections, those are supposed to mean sections like : sunni, shi'i , ash'ari etc , meaning that 72 of them are twisting hadeeths or contradicting the fundamentals.

I really hope what I said was clear, because its 1:12 am here and my english sucks

Thanks for the answer,and it was clear,BTW your English is good

 

[England my lionheart]

according to our teachings there would be 73 sections but in apperiance there would be 72. 73rd section would be people from all sections who live Islam correctly so 73rd section would be kind of unseen

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OK,so i was'nt far off from this,anyway heres a link for you,i have more but i have work tommorow so its time for bed Sahih Bukhari - Hadith Collection

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

what would you suggest me to do?

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My beloved sister lava

Allah says in surat al Imrane:

31. Say (O Muhammad

to mankind): "If you (really) love All�h then follow me (i.e. accept Isl�mic Monotheism, follow the Qur'�n and the Sunnah), All�h will love you and forgive you of your sins. And All�h is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."32. Say (O Muhammad

): "Obey All�h and the Messenger (Muhammad

)." But if they turn away, then All�h does not like the disbelievers.


I think this would be a good start, wouldnt be?
May Allah protect you and keep you firm on the right path my dear

 

[.lava]

My beloved sister lava

Allah says in surat al Imrane:

31. Say (O Muhammad

to mankind): "If you (really) love All�h then follow me (i.e. accept Isl�mic Monotheism, follow the Qur'�n and the Sunnah), All�h will love you and forgive you of your sins. And All�h is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."32. Say (O Muhammad

): "Obey All�h and the Messenger (Muhammad

)." But if they turn away, then All�h does not like the disbelievers.


I think this would be a good start, wouldnt be?
May Allah protect you and keep you firm on the right path my dear

thank you, Fatima for caring and for your kindness i don't have problem with verses of Qur'an and sayings of Mohammad SAW. i respect both and i would obey. though i find fabricated hadiths to be destructive. they are not sayings of Mohammad SAW and they should not be treated as they are. as a Muslim it's my duty to say what i am taught

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[fatima_bintu_islam]

alhamdulillah for that, may Allah protect you.
Then why do you mean by the fabricated hadeeths?

Barakallahu feeki

 

[.lava]

alhamdulillah for that, may Allah protect you.
Then why do you mean by the fabricated hadeeths?

Barakallahu feeki

i am sorry, i don't get the question. could you rephrase it, please?

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[fatima_bintu_islam]

I meant what do you intend by fabricated hadeeths? Which hadeeths do you call fabricated?

 

[ChrisP]

Things run in cycles. I can remember periods of bashing of different religions throughout RF's history, including Islam, Judaism, LDS, Mystics, UUs and Catholicism. LDS have probably suffered the worst of it, but Muslims definitely run a close second.

 

[.lava]

I meant what do you intend by fabricated hadeeths? Which hadeeths do you call fabricated?

the ones contradict Qur'an, the ones not said by Prophet himself. things he say would never contradict Qur'an as he said in one of his hadiths

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[Autodidact]

i don't know. i can't speak for all nations. in Turkey education system would not encourage children to read and to investigate. there is also poverty. people are surrended by problems because of it. so a teenagers who's supposed to go to school rather work to help family. peple are mostly struggling with daily issues. i don't know if there are more social factors for it. i am saying what i think but there are people who have better answers.

is it high in USA?

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No, not very, and it is extremely low in the more secular countries of the world. Basically, the more secular, the more literate. Again, the problem seems to be religion. The more unchecked is the religious rule, the worse for the people.

 

[Autodidact]

Dear kai,

Allah says in Quran (3:140)
"so are the days (good and not so good), We give to men by turns, that All�h may test those who believe"

Once upon a time, we were the most educated person on earth while most of the rest were living in the darkness of ignorance But Inshallah, as Im living in a muslim country , I assure you that thanks God, things are starting to become better and better.

Meanwhile, the less Muslim the country is, the more literate. Why do you think that is?

 

[monta]

Meanwhile, the less Muslim the country is, the more literate. Why do you think that is?

Uzbekistan is a Muslim country and has a literacy rate of 99.3 % which I believe is the highest in the world.

 

[England my lionheart]

the ones contradict Qur'an, the ones not said by Prophet himself. things he say would never contradict Qur'an as he said in one of his hadiths

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But what if they are Sahih hadith but contradict the Qur'an

 

[Caladan]

Uzbekistan is a Muslim country and has a literacy rate of 99.3 % which I believe is the highest in the world.

The literacy rate of Uzbekistan is attributed to the Soviet education system, Uzbekistan gained independence after the Soviet collapse in 1991. also there seem to be a few different rates for Uzbekistan. for example in List of countries by literacy rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it is ranked 60 in the world.
either way, I think issues of poverty, economical strife are of great effect on literacy rates. that being said religion can also be a factor, for example in low literacy rates among women.

 

[.lava]

But what if they are Sahih hadith but contradict the Qur'an

it is impossible. that would be like your reflection in the mirror contradicts your apperiance. since Prophet is the perfect mirror for religion of God, any advice that comes from him would perfectly match and it does

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[monta]

The literacy rate of Uzbekistan is attributed to the Soviet education system, Uzbekistan gained independence after the Soviet collapse in 1991. also there seem to be a few different rates for Uzbekistan. for example in List of countries by literacy rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it is ranked 60 in the world.
either way, I think issues of poverty, economical strife are of great effect on literacy rates. that being said religion can also be a factor, for example in low literacy rates among women.

Wiki must know something the CIA doesn't , though I notice some of the data from wiki goes back to 1995, even if the information is correct, there are Islamic countries on the list that have very high literacy rates, higher than Ireland, the US, Canada and Israel.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2103.html

Poverty and system of government are the impediments to literacy, not a specific religion, to latch onto the countries you want to use as examples, while ignoring others is biased.