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Are Playing Cards Evil ???
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Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Well, it has been proven fairly clearly that the Tarot dervies from the regular play deck, not the other way around.
So, therefore the Joker is not the last remnants of the major Arcana in a playing deck--rather it is the card in the play deck from which all the Major Arcana derive.
Regards,
Scott
So, therefore the Joker is not the last remnants of the major Arcana in a playing deck--rather it is the card in the play deck from which all the Major Arcana derive.
Regards,
Scott
Do you know the difference between correlation and causation?
If things 'A' and 'B' are similar, there can be a few reasons for this:
- 'A' caused 'B'
- 'B' caused 'A'
- both 'A' and 'B' were caused by 'C'
- coincidence
Now that that's established, what reason do you have to say that modern playing cards are definitely the product of Tarot cards, and that Tarot cards are not a product of modern playing cards, or (as MadLlama already suggested) that both were the product of a previous style of playing cards?
MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
MaddLlama may say poker cards as we know them did not originate from tarot cards, but she is wrong..
Can you explain this MaddLlama..
Show me pictures of some playing cards from the 14th century or before, then we can talk.
As I've said several times already, Tarocchi cards were created for the game Tarocchi around 1445, and were not the first set of playing cards. Fortune telling picture cards, the deck on which most modern tarot decks are based, didn't exist until 1910 and were not in widespread usage until the 1960's and 70's.
Maybe if you did some real research, and not just looking for conspiracy sites that agree with your preconceived notions this thread wouldn't be so laughably ridiculous.
Just remember: half of what you find on the internet is total garbage, especially when it comes to history. Get thee to a library.
madhatter85
Transhumanist
i thought this thread was a waste of your time?
MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
The willfully ignorant get under my skin.
Besides, at the moment I happen to have time to waste. So do you, apparently.
FFH
Veteran Member
Okay whatever...
People want links, libraries can't give me links...
Those pics are legit as is the info...
FFH
Veteran Member
Taken from this page: International Playing-Card Society - Brief History of Playing-Cards
Very very simple history, nothing complicated about it..
Very very simple history, nothing complicated about it..
madhatter85
Transhumanist
MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
You do know that the word "Tarot" referred to a set of playing cards invented in Europe first before it referred only to a fortune telling deck? It even says so on the site. You obviously haven't read it very clearly.
Some people see only what they want to.
You should go to a library anyway, you get better information there. Unless of course, you just believe anything you read. Then it doesn't matter what kind of research you do or don't do.
This is right from your link. Tarot cards were used as playing cards before anyone thought to use them for fortune telling. Funny how you ignored that.
FFH
Veteran Member
Also from this page...
International Playing-Card Society - Brief History of Playing-Cards
"The study of the development of playing-cards has further been bedevilled by overmuch attention to tarot packs. To the best of our knowledge, the first packs of cards in Europe comprised 52 cards in four Italian-type suits each with three court cards (king, knight, and foot-servant), and were used for games of skill involving trick-taking, as well as for gambling games, which were often prohibited. Very soon, the idea of adding extra cards to act as permanent trumps came into being, and the tarot pack was born. At the same time a queen was interpolated between the king and the knight, so that, with the extra 22 non-suited cards, a pack of 78 cards was created. Such packs have continued to be used for their original purpose right through to the present day"
These cards, tarot and poker, were created for evil purposes.
No good has come out of the creation of these cards, only evil...
International Playing-Card Society - Brief History of Playing-Cards
"The study of the development of playing-cards has further been bedevilled by overmuch attention to tarot packs. To the best of our knowledge, the first packs of cards in Europe comprised 52 cards in four Italian-type suits each with three court cards (king, knight, and foot-servant), and were used for games of skill involving trick-taking, as well as for gambling games, which were often prohibited. Very soon, the idea of adding extra cards to act as permanent trumps came into being, and the tarot pack was born. At the same time a queen was interpolated between the king and the knight, so that, with the extra 22 non-suited cards, a pack of 78 cards was created. Such packs have continued to be used for their original purpose right through to the present day"
These cards, tarot and poker, were created for evil purposes.
No good has come out of the creation of these cards, only evil...
FFH
Veteran Member
Tarot cards still share common symbols
Clubs (suit)
"It is typically associated with war"
"The English word for the suit is clubs. This is probably a translation of Spanish bastos 'clubs' - which is the symbol used on old Spanish playing cards. (And still are in Tarot.)"
Wiki - Clubs (suit)
Clubs (suit)
"It is typically associated with war"
"The English word for the suit is clubs. This is probably a translation of Spanish bastos 'clubs' - which is the symbol used on old Spanish playing cards. (And still are in Tarot.)"
Wiki - Clubs (suit)
FFH
Veteran Member
Spades (suit)
"It is typically associated with death"
"In the Germanic countries was the symbol associated with the blade of a spade."
"It is often stated that the suit is named after Spanish espada sword."
"Very early associated with the point of a pike (French pique)."
Wiki - Spades (suit)
FFH
Veteran Member
No, but the Rabbit is, I owned one (77') and it gave me nothing but trouble...
Again that's a neutral object...no renderings, indices, symbols, etc. found on a car, TV, computer (excluding the software), bicycle, etc..
FFH
Veteran Member
Just a V and a W..AFAIK, every Volkswagen ever produced has had a symbol on it:
