Are you a male or female

[Kfox]

Because gender norms are still alive, strong and thriving. Custody cases easily demonstrate this.

I said gender ROLES; not gender norms.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I said gender ROLES; not gender norms.

Gender norms include gender roles.

 

[The Hammer]

Gender norms include gender roles.

People can't seem to wrap their head around a simple premise... Lol

 

[Shadow Wolf]

People can't seem to wrap their head around a simple premise... Lol

I've noticed it's a trend lately with RWers who think they know better than the rest of us in this topic but fail to recognize simple terms and concepts. Basic social science terms and they make it so obvious they're understanding and knowledge is on par with a Young Earth Creationist trying to talk about biology and evolution.
And despite their obvious ignorance they carry on bastardizing subjects that are barely undergrad topics.

 

[Kfox]

Gender norms include gender roles.

Then give me some examples of gender roles that are a part of American culture.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Then give me some examples of gender roles that are a part of American culture.

Women are still expected, by default, to better with kids amd the natural primary caretaker of children.
Men are still considered to be the default better sex when it comes to working on cars.
Women are expected to be restrained and reserved. Guys are encouraged to go all out.
Pink is for girls. Blue is for boys. Some jobs are still stereotypically for men while some for women.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Then give me some examples of gender roles that are a part of American culture.

I come across a number of gender expectations. Such as that men are expected to be providers, that women are suppose to provide emotional support to people, that men are expected to make the first move in relationships, etc.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I come across a number of gender expectations. Such as that men are expected to be providers, that women are suppose to provide emotional support to people, that men are expected to make the first move in relationships, etc.

Yeah. There's a reason why heakthcare and education are predominantly women. Women are exoected to be nurturing and naturally gifted with kids. No, they're just expected to learn thise things young like bous are expected to learn to throw and catch various balls. For toys girls get baby dolls and kitchen sets. Boys get guns and garage sets.
And even still most guys have hair no more than a few inches long (military) while gals typically have long hair (attractiveness).

 

[Kfox]

Women are still expected, by default, to better with kids amd the natural primary caretaker of children.
Men are still considered to be the default better sex when it comes to working on cars.
Women are expected to be restrained and reserved. Guys are encouraged to go all out.
Pink is for girls. Blue is for boys. Some jobs are still stereotypically for men while some for women.

What you are describing are sexist stereotypes that modern American culture has done everything to eliminate. Yeah; there may still be a few dinosaurs around that think women should not be cops, construction workers, or doctors, and should be regulated to wife duties around the house or perhaps school teachers and Nurses if they ain’t married yet, but a quick look in the real world and you might notice that women are in every field men are in. So I will have to disagree with you; what you are describing is not a part of modern American culture.

 

[Kfox]

I come across a number of gender expectations. Such as that men are expected to be providers, that women are suppose to provide emotional support to people, that men are expected to make the first move in relationships, etc.

What Century are you talking about? Because in the 21 Century, those rules no longer apply; women work outside the home, men are capable of providing emotional support, and are not always the one to make the first move in relationships.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

That's not the case and dads still get the raw end of the deal when it comes to custody.

That's something of a misnomer. While it's true that women gain custody most of the time (about 4 in 5 divorce cases), it's not despite equal attempts at gaining custody. In most cases both parties decide to give custody to the mother. But when men actively seek custody and persue custody cases, they're far more likely to get it, even if they're proven domestic abusers.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What you are describing are sexist stereotypes that modern American culture has done everything to eliminate. Yeah; there may still be a few dinosaurs around that think women should not be cops, construction workers, or doctors, and should be regulated to wife duties around the house or perhaps school teachers and Nurses if they ain’t married yet, but a quick look in the real world and you might notice that women are in every field men are in. So I will have to disagree with you; what you are describing is not a part of modern American culture.

Okay. Ever hear the phrase "ladylike behaviors" recently? I have.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's something of a misnomer. While it's true that women gain custody most of the time (about 4 in 5 divorce cases), it's not despite equal attempts at gaining custody. In most cases both parties decide to give custody to the mother. But when men actively seek custody and persue custody cases, they're far more likely to get it, even if they're proven domestic abusers.

No, I've personally seen it myself. It happens. Judges are human amd their biases have been shown in numerous areas, including custody where I know, personally and professionally, it can be excessively difficult to prove a mom unfit and have parental rights revoked (even if her kids have been in the foster system multiple times already).

 

[ADigitalArtist]

What you are describing are sexist stereotypes that modern American culture has done everything to eliminate. Yeah; there may still be a few dinosaurs around that think women should not be cops, construction workers, or doctors, and should be regulated to wife duties around the house or perhaps school teachers and Nurses if they ain’t married yet, but a quick look in the real world and you might notice that women are in every field men are in. So I will have to disagree with you; what you are describing is not a part of modern American culture.

The vast majority of civil rights cases brought to court about discrimination and wrongful termination is towards women. Women being barred from entering certain workplaces, being paid differently, being sexually harassed, being wrongfully terminated for reasons like pregnancy or whistleblowing sexual harassment.

Ask women in construction what it's like being a woman in construction and the majority will tell you it's hell because of mistreatment by their male counterparts.

Modern American culture is still very much full of sex and gender based discrimination, despite women fighting hard for a seat at the table.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

No, I've personally seen it myself. It happens. Judges are human amd their biases have been shown in numerous areas, including custody where I know, personally and professionally, it can be excessively difficult to prove a mom unfit and have parental rights revoked (even if her kids have been in the foster system multiple times already).

I've seen it happen, too, but when it's actually studied the courts are deciding overwhelmingly in favor of male custody, not the other way around. The only reason men don't get custody more is because they don't show up more, or give custody up before family court even begins. But when they actively contest custody they get it the vast majority of the time.

Fathers and Mothers: Child Custody Myths | Dad’s Divorce Law

Some beliefs about fathers’ rights in child custody and child support cases are untrue. A skilled divorce attorney can provide legal help to divorcing dads.

www.dadsdivorcelaw.com

Family Courts and Child Custody Are Biased Against Women, Not Men

Abusive men are more likely to win custody, and men win up to 93% of custody cases

zawn.substack.com

https://ir.law.fsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1419&context=lr (this is a download link to a pdf)

Do Dads REALLY Get Dissed In Divorce Court?

We hear a lot about how the courts are biased in favor of mothers when deciding child custody.

www.huffpost.com

The idea that family courts are biased against men is a dangerous fallacy | Sonia Sodha

A disproportionately male judiciary is more likely to rule against abused women and children, says the Observer columnist Sonia Sodha

www.theguardian.com

The reasons for this are complicated and have as much to do with class bias as gender bias.
At the end of the day, only about 4% of custody battles end in a judge decision. And there hasn't been any reliable data showing that 4% leans more towards the mom.

 

[Kfox]

Okay. Ever hear the phrase "ladylike behaviors" recently? I have.

So exactly what are "ladylike behaviors"? Please be specific.

 

[Kfox]

The vast majority of civil rights cases brought to court about discrimination and wrongful termination is towards women. Women being barred from entering certain workplaces, being paid differently, being sexually harassed, being wrongfully terminated for reasons like pregnancy or whistleblowing sexual harassment.

Ask women in construction what it's like being a woman in construction and the majority will tell you it's hell because of mistreatment by their male counterparts.

Modern American culture is still very much full of sex and gender based discrimination, despite women fighting hard for a seat at the table.

The fact that there is a system in place where women who have been wronged this way can have their mistreatment addressed and corrected tells me that such discrimination is not a part of modern American culture. Would you agree?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So exactly what are "ladylike behaviors"? Please be specific.

Being clean and very well groomed.
Dietary choices (like more veggies) and eating habits (not too many women doing wing challenges).
Amd its especially defined in opposition to masculine rough n tumble behaviors.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The fact that there is a system in place where women who have been wronged this way can have their mistreatment addressed and corrected tells me that such discrimination is not a part of modern American culture. Would you agree?

Clearly she doesn't.

 

[Kfox]

Being clean and very well groomed.
Dietary choices (like more veggies) and eating habits (not too many women doing wing challenges).
Amd its especially defined in opposition to masculine rough n tumble behaviors.

Can we agree; such behaviors do not make you a lady?