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Are you equipped with a weapon?

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Anyone who doesn't want to get eaten but a mountain lion/bear? At least where I am.

I'd say that any time a gun would make a difference in an encounter with a mountain lion or bear, the person has already made a number of mistakes.

If you take basic precautions (e.g. staying on the trail, making yourself known with noise, leaving your dog at home), the likelihood of even encountering a mountain lion is tiny.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Isn't it the most powerful handgun or something?
There are more powerful ones out there.
Generally revolvers, eg, S&W 500.
And some single shot handguns use rifle rounds.
Although I once saw a single action revolver
at a gun show chambered for 45-70.
That thing would kick sumthin fierce!
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
There are more powerful ones out there.
Generally revolvers, eg, S&W 500.
And some single shot handguns use rifle rounds.
Although I once saw a single action revolver
at a gun show chambered for 45-70.
That thing would kick sumthin fierce!
What are the advantages of having a more powerful and larger calibre handgun?

I mean surley being shot in the head by a tiny little one would be deadly?
 

McBell

Unbound
What exactly is that?
the easiest way I know to explain it is "knockback" in video games.

Going from one extreme to to the other...
getting shot with a 22 will not knock you back nearly as much as a 50 cal.

Edited to add:

Stopping power is the ability of a weapon – typically a ranged weapon such as a firearm – to cause a target (human or animal) to be incapacitated or immobilized. Stopping power contrasts with lethality in that it pertains only to a weapon's ability to make the target cease action, regardless of whether or not death ultimately occurs. Which ammunition cartridges have the greatest stopping power is a much-debated topic.​
Stopping power is related to the physical properties and terminal behavior of the projectile (bullet, shot, or slug), the biology of the target, and the wound location, but the issue is complicated and not easily studied. Although higher-caliber ammunitions usually have greater muzzle energy and momentum and thus traditionally been widely associated with higher stopping power, the physics involved are multifactorial, with caliber, muzzle velocity, bullet mass, bullet shape and bullet material all contributing to the ballistics.​
 
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Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
the easiest way I know to explain it is "knockback" in video games.

Going from one extreme to to the other...
getting shot with a 22 will not knock you back nearly as much as a 50 cal.
So what do law enforcement tend to use?
 

McBell

Unbound
So what do law enforcement tend to use?
Here in my neck of the woods they went from 9mm to 10mm back to 9mm.

What they used before the 9mm here, I do not know.

Different PDs will use different calibers, but my understanding is that 9mm is pretty popular coast to coast.
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
Here in my neck of the woods they went from 9mm to 10mm back to 9mm.

What they used before the 9mm here, I do not know.

Different PDs will use different calibers, but my understanding is that 9mm is pretty popular coast to coast.
So is 9mm moderately powerful?

What advantages does it have?
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Okay, I admit, going outside without a gun where grizzlies are is nuts. How many grizzlies are there in Chicago or Jacksonville though?
Lots of Bears in Chicago. Cubs too.

Although you'd probably get in a lot of trouble for shooting one (depending on what kind of a season they're having).
 

McBell

Unbound
So is 9mm moderately powerful?

What advantages does it have?
Personally, I would put the 9mm in the mid range.

The advantages of the 9mm, again, in my opinion, is that it has enough power to stop most people and is lighter and easier to control when firing multiple rounds.


I carry a 410 revolver with birdshot.
Commonly referred to as a 'snake killer'.
And that is the primary reason I carry it.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
I'd say that any time a gun would make a difference in an encounter with a mountain lion or bear, the person has already made a number of mistakes.

If you take basic precautions (e.g. staying on the trail, making yourself known with noise, leaving your dog at home), the likelihood of even encountering a mountain lion is tiny.

And yet. It happened and happens. We did take basic precautions. And we were on a trail examining housing properties, talking with a realtor, had no animals with us, etc.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
"His plan doesn’t involve killing anyone" <> "he doesn't have a plan."


It doesn't come up.

One thing that helps: even though there are plenty of guns (I'm in a rural area with plenty of hunters), they're generally securely stored.
Don't announce that too loudly. Home intruders like breaking into homes where guns are "securely stored" since it ensures the homeowner won't be able to use them.
 
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