As Arranged, Trump Has Been Acquitted

[sooda]

You don't know what you're blabbing about.

Trump is USING the Evangelicals.

 

[Spartan]

Trump is USING the Evangelicals.

Nope, that's what Obama was doing trying to make people think he was a Christian.

 

[sooda]

Nope, that's what Obama was doing trying to make people think he was a Christian.

Obama never flaunted his religion either way.. and Evangelicals rejected him.. Like that bozo Franklin Graham they thought he was a Muslim.

Meanwhile.. Getting even with Mitt Romney.

You can just hear the vindictive little coward screaming "somebody find me some way to punish Utah!"

VVF Statement Regarding Trump Administration’s Latest Attacks on Our Public Lands
Feb 06, 2020

Vet Voice Foundation's Will Goodwin, a US Army Veteran, stated the following regarding the Trump Administration’s plan to revoke protections for two Utah National Monuments:
“Donald Trump, first with Secretary Zinke and now with Secretary Bernhardt, has made attacking our public lands and undermining the Antiquities Act a top priority from day one. But today’s announcement that the Trump Administration will revoke protections on two treasured national monuments in Utah — Bears Ears National Monument and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument — less than 24 hours after Senator Mitt Romney (UT) voted to convict Trump of high-crimes and misdemeanors is a new low for an administration defined by lows.

VVF Statement Regarding Trump Administration’s Latest Attacks on Our Public Lands
Vet Voice Foundation's Will Goodwin, a US Army Veteran, stated the following regarding the Trump Administration’s plan to revoke protections for two Utah National Monuments: &ldq...
www.vetvoicefoundation.org

 

[columbus]

No, it's not reasonable to conclude there was
collusion when no evidence has been presented.

I find it reasonable to conclude that collusion happened, however indirect and drenched in "plausible deniability", when the President puts that much effort into lying, dissembling and obstructing inquiry into the possibility of treasonous behavior.

Tom

 

[Guitar's Cry]

You don't know what you're blabbing about.

I do! Trump has shown, right up to the present, that rather than being a repentant Christian, humble and contrite before the Lord, he is vindictive, bullying, prideful, and more interested in material wealth than spiritual. He even appears to use Christianity to score political points. All these are just as (if not more so) sinful in popular Christian idealism as homosexuality.

I am willing to accept that there are varied Christian viewpoints, though, and can see ideologies that suggest pridefulness, narcissism, bullish, and vindictive behavior as sometimes very Christian and Godlike. Do you subscribe to that?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If Sodomite Pete Buttigieg wants to play the Christian then he needs to play by the rules. So get a new dog to run around the arena. Your slur has fleas.

Like it or not, there are many Christian communities that have come to grips with the fact that homosexuality is a natural orientation, and have accepted that it is not, in itself, any sort of sin. That your community may not agree does not make your community the arbiter for everyone else.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I find it reasonable to conclude that collusion happened, however indirect and drenched in "plausible deniability", when the President puts that much effort into lying, dissembling and obstructing inquiry into the possibility of treasonous behavior.

Tom

I think the argument between you and @Revoltingest tends to be the result of a difference of opinion around what is plausible, and what may be legally provable. Although I agree with you completely that everything I see points to successful covering up of misdeeds, I also have to agree with Revoltingest that in this case, it is not possible to use it to bring any sort of charge.

 

[columbus]

, it is not possible to use it to bring any sort of charge.

That's what makes it so unfortunate.
People(not Rev) who consider themselves patriots are willing to turn a blind eye to treasonous behavior at the Presidential level. Whether due to Christian beliefs or partisan power politics, they don't even want a thorough and transparent investigation. They'd rather risk Trump selling out US national interests for political reasons than get to the bottom of the accusations and respond appropriately.

Republicans didn't used to be like that.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

That's what makes it so unfortunate.
People(not Rev) who consider themselves patriots are willing to turn a blind eye to...

Hmmm.....Either I'm not people or I'm not a patriot.
Either way,
I'm OK.

 

[columbus]

Hmmm.....Either I'm not people or I'm not a patriot.
Either way,
I'm OK.

I realized I phrased that poorly.
Not patriotic is what I meant. But I only added that because you'd been mentioned earlier in the sentence I partially quoted.

Nevertheless, I find the ability of the Basket of Deplorables to hand wave away such evidence, as exists, appalling. I see enough evidence that Trump is behaving true to form(self-serving, deceitful, and greedy) to want better evidence that he isn't. But apparently that isn't the Republican way anymore.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I realized I phrased that poorly.

No, you phrased it just fine.
But I saw an opportunity.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You guys had your hopes up trying to get rid of Trump, didn't you?

I am content that his name be forever besmirched.

That's all that the Democrats were able to accomplish, but it's enough.

More "morning after" despair and anguish for you. LOL.

Your religion isn't working for you. Jesus has failed you.

Trump has repented

There's that cheap self-forgiveness that your religion is famous for. Just mutter a few words to the ceiling fan with your eyes closed and hands together, and absolve yourself. Forgiveness on demand Jesus style.

"Let's say somebody goes around and rapes and murders somebody, and after they're done, they get saved. What's the punishment for them? This is the problem with Christian religion. It establishes unrealistic and irrational and immoral criteria by which to live. And then it creates a loophole so that you don't ever have to be responsible for those actions.

"Christianity is not a moral system. It is an immoral system. Because it specifically says that there aren't necessarily consequences that you have to pay because of a loophole. And what is the loophole? It has nothing to do with how good you are or how morally you act. It has to do with whether you are willing to be a sycophant to an idea.

"And if you are, then there is an exception by which you no longer have to suffer a penalty for this. The idea that secular morality offers no guarantee that people will ever pay for their crimes and their atrocities is not an argument against secular morality because that is a tenet of Christianity. The idea that the Christian god is just is directly contradicted by the idea that the Christian god is merciful. Perfect justice and any mercy are necessary directly in contradiction, because mercy is a suspension of justice.

"Do not pretend that your religion is moral and just." - Matt Dillahunty

Here's your mistake...you think the trial was about justice.
It wasn't. It was about removal or not.

And I suppose that I am also mistaken that a courtroom trial of a murderer is not about justice either, but about removal of a murderer from the streets or not.

Even if you don't think the process was about justice, others disagree, and America fell short in the eyes of the world. Again. This is a frequent occurrence in the Trump era.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I suppose that I am also mistaken that a courtroom trial of a murderer is not about justice either, but about removal of a murderer from the streets or not.

That's an entirely different procedure in every way.
Parenthetical aside.....
In criminal trials, there is the possibility of jury nullification (deciding
that guilty or not, the law is wrong), but that's a rare exception.

Even if you don't think the process was about justice, others disagree...

My opinions aren't popular.
But look at the impeachment trials in the last century...
...were any about guilt or innocence? Nah. The reality
was that the Senators voted to not remove the perps.

....and America fell short in the eyes of the world. Again. This is a frequent occurrence in the Trump era.

The world doesn't understand our system then.
They only know they wanted a different result.
This is fine...but it's not realistic.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That's what makes it so unfortunate.
People(not Rev) who consider themselves patriots are willing to turn a blind eye to treasonous behavior at the Presidential level. Whether due to Christian beliefs or partisan power politics, they don't even want a thorough and transparent investigation. They'd rather risk Trump selling out US national interests for political reasons than get to the bottom of the accusations and respond appropriately.

Republicans didn't used to be like that.
Tom

You might be interested to read this column from today's Globe and Mail (a Toronto newspaper). Don't know how long you'll be able to view it... Opinion: First a strongman, now a king – Donald Trump has become America’s modern monarch

 

[Spartan]

I am content that his name be forever besmirched.

That's all that the Democrats were able to accomplish, but it's enough.

The Dumbocrats didn't even accomplish that, because Trump is forever ACQUITTED.

All that exercise showed was how deranged the stiff-necked Dems were to have brought it forward in the first place.

 

[Spartan]

Like it or not, there are many Christian communities that have come to grips with the fact that homosexuality is a natural orientation, and have accepted that it is not, in itself, any sort of sin. That your community may not agree does not make your community the arbiter for everyone else.

They must be reading a different Bible than I am, because the Bible says they have a depraved mind (Romans 1:28).

 

[Spartan]

Like it or not, there are many Christian communities that have come to grips with the fact that homosexuality is a natural orientation, and have accepted that it is not, in itself, any sort of sin. That your community may not agree does not make your community the arbiter for everyone else.

I'll tell you something - you may keep this post as a reminder come Election Day. I'd be mildly surprised if Pete Buttigieg wins the Democratic nomination. There's still a fair number of Dems who - because of their Christianity - won't vote for a Sodomite. But even if it is Buttigieg vs. Trump in the final election, Trump will trounce him. And he'll trounce him because of all the evangelicals and cross-over black voters who will elect Trump.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

They must be reading a different Bible than I am, because the Bible says they have a depraved mind (Romans 1:28).

Reading "a different Bible?" Or reading the Bible differently?

If you want to go for a literal reading of the Bible, then be prepared to own slaves (or be owned as one) and to kill you children if they don't do what you want. That's all in there. Along with God himself killing innocents of all sorts. (Of course, I suppose, when God does it, it's a good thing.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Reading "a different Bible?" Or reading the Bible differently?

If you want to go for a literal reading of the Bible, then be prepared to own slaves (or be owned as one) and to kill you children if they don't do what you want. That's all in there. Along with God himself killing innocents of all sorts. (Of course, I suppose, when God does it, it's a good thing.

God forbid we wear clothing made from two different materials.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope, that's what Obama was doing trying to make people think he was a Christian.

Just because Obama had superior morals than evangelical Christians does not mean that he is not a Christian.