As I read the Quran, which parts should I ignore?

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Word of God fixed ???
This is declared Dear Muslim ????
Fixed Koran ???? Does not change ??
This is the Quran and this is the position of slaves ???
Muslims enjoy in slaves with the wife ???
Is Taatmknon of abolition of the death of God ??
Will Cancel Taatmknon of verses of the Koran ???
Regarding the right man in slaves the intercourse Is that allowed him his relationship with his wife (or wives ) Is it true that the right of a man having intercourse with many of the slaves with the presence of his wife or wives ? I read that Ali may Allah be pleased with him had the slaves and that the age of 17 he had many wives and whether her opinion on that?
Islam has permitted for a man to have intercourse with his slaves , whether his wife or wives or not married
2-And do our Prophet , peace be upon him, and he did the Companions and the righteous , scientists and scholars unanimously agreed on all of them is not permissible for one to deprive him or stop him and denied doing so he is a sinner contrary to the consensus of scientists
3-Not the opinion of the wife is not in the possession of her husband for the slaves nor the congregation of them
4-
This is the position of Islam and intellectually approach and application of early Muslims ??
So why do you deny these facts ?
Why did you lie to the world ??
People Tdillon ??

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

In addition to what was said by the elders virtuous , the slavery still exists in Mauritania , and the source of what Muslims captive there from captivity in their wars with Africans and with the Spaniards , and told me that more than one of Aelchenaqth and who visited the Chinguetti , and told me that Sheikh Mohammed Hassan Dedew _ may Allah free him _ that there are still alive saw out Aelchenaqth invaders in the way of Allah invasions in the summer and winter are contributing to the spread of Islam in Africa , and is still sold as slaves
There are no slaves and Spaniards for sale in that country ! And the price of the nation on what the ten thousand dollar limits on sale! , Some pupils scholar Sheikh Mohammed Salim bin Abdul Wadud may God protect him and said that he has some slaves Akhaddmenh and serve his disciples in prepared or villages in the desert Chinguetti , and I heard from some scientists Kingdom in particular councils they know of Aklfonh purchased neck in Mauritania and Aatagaha Kkavarh whom it is freeing a slave in the killing of an error or unhide or otherwise, ask God to restore the Muslims and their glory days Azzam , said that it Kadeer .

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

These views Muslims ????
They follow the pious ??

1. Hide the provisions of the slaves and the slaves finally , generate problematic , and it makes some verses incomprehensible . But if the reduction of this research because it is today hardly apply , what is nothing to prevent that? Anyone who wants to detail -sbb of Alospab- he can easily refer to the books of the Old Fiqh (and most ) . This section is intended to help the student . Had returned phenomenon of slavery (if returned Jihad ) , judgments exist and will not be lost without a doubt .
Pay attention to these words ???

Had returned phenomenon of slavery (if returned Jihad ) , judgments exist and will not be lost without a doubt .

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Is there such teachings in Christianity ???
The disciples of Christ ??
Do they own slaves ?
Is Jesus said ( wife, along with slaves ) ??
The teachings of Christ are different from the teachings of Muhammad ???

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

If returned Jihad returned provisions of slaves and slavery ??
This is the opinion of Muslims today ??
Scientists them ??
But they hide it from the people ??
And the world ???

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Islam limited sources of slavery , which was before the Mohammedan message in a single source , namely slavery war which was imposed on the prisoners of the infidels . Islam has Okreman in Rgahn Be Agaynh what is in the land of Islam , not stalking prey is permissible for each student on the way

 

[Shad]

Nope, I didn't mean it.



Our subject here is not the history of Islam. I'm saying that slavery is now forbidden and you yourself also said that with the Western pressure it got abolished, and that's what counts. The Western expression "by the end of the day" is somewhere between the lines here. If Muslims did not want it to be abolished because it is something important to and of the core foundation of Islam, they wouldn't have.

Well here is a core issue. What nations do you consider as having authority to represent Muslims? Is Saudi Arabia an authority? The same Saudi Arabia which brought back slavery as legal after the fall of the Ottoman Empire? When the KSA made slavery legal again was this also representation of Islam and Muslim? What about the other splinter states which made slavery legal again? Does each represent Muslims? Does the Ottoman Empire represent Muslims? Does the Ottoman's method of making it illegal represent Muslims? A method which shows the sharia was incapable of making slavery illegal so used secular law instead. Do you agree with this representation of sharia being outdated and inflexible? Does IS represent Muslims since they made it legal again?

Or are you cherry picking when a view agrees with your own and disagree when it does not, ie post hoc rationalization

 

[Smart_Guy]

Well here is a core issue. What nations do you consider as having authority to represent Muslims? Is Saudi Arabia an authority? The same Saudi Arabia which brought back slavery as legal after the fall of the Ottoman Empire? When the KSA made slavery legal again was this also representation of Islam and Muslim? What about the other splinter states which made slavery legal again? Does each represent Muslims? Does the Ottoman Empire represent Muslims? Does the Ottoman's method of making it illegal represent Muslims? A method which shows the sharia was incapable of making slavery illegal so used secular law instead. Do you agree with this representation of sharia being outdated and inflexible? Does IS represent Muslims since they made it legal again?

Or are you cherry picking when a view agrees with your own and disagree when it does not, ie post hoc rationalization

A religion is never represented in full by people, all people do is trying their best to find the best. People of better knowledge give their views and people of less knowledge see the views fitting and use them. Unless you think any group of humans can be perfect. My accumulated sources and efforts could be wrong in the end therefore my conclusion wrong too, just as yours could be wrong. Claiming what one says is a perfect truth, is a fantasy.

 

[Shad]

A religion is never represented in full by people, all people do is trying their best to find the best. People of better knowledge give their views and people of less knowledge see the views fitting and use them. Unless you think any group of humans can be perfect. My accumulated sources and efforts could be wrong in the end therefore my conclusion wrong too, just as yours could be wrong. Claiming what one says is a perfect truth, is a fantasy.

Red herring response. Do current nations represent Islam or not. You seemed perfectly fine in making the claim before so why not now?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Red herring response. Do current nations represent Islam or not. You seemed perfectly fine in making the claim before so why not now?

Which claim?

And my post was clear that no, current nations do not represent Islam.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Which claim?

And my post was clear that no, current nations do not represent Islam.

Why do these countries do not represent Islam ????
Do you want to state on the pattern Daash or Saudi Wahhabi ?????

 

[psychoslice]

Mr Smart_Guy, can I ask you, do you see any defects in your belief system ?.

 

[gnostic]

Showed and discussed already with ample proofs that Slavery is uprooted in Qur'an . Please read the previous posts , revert back if you have refutation about it .

"Uprooted"? Uprooted is not the same thing as "abolishing" slavery.

Again, nothing in the Qur'an say that Islam has abolished slavery. Slavery is still permissible in the Qur'an, whether it be buying, selling or taking slave from wars.

Slavery has been operating in many ancient and medieval civilisations, including Muhammad's own time.

And manumission or emancipation (freeing a slave or slaves) is not uncommon, and have occurred long before Muhammad's time.

Muhammad himself has owned slaves before, and had first choice of who to take as slaves, and he would take the most beautiful captive as slave. Just because he released.

And Muhammad permitted women and children to be sold in slave market after the Banu Qurayza had surrendered, while the men that didn't covert to Islam were beheaded (as little as 600, or as many 900 were beheaded, depending on the sources). Muhammad was there, but he did nothing to stop this from happening.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Why do these countries do not represent Islam ????
Do you want to state on the pattern Daash or Saudi Wahhabi ?????

Why would they?

Why would I?

And, those are some straight to the point questions unlike your other disoriented posts

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Why would they?

Why would I?

And, those are some straight to the point questions unlike your other disoriented posts

My question is clear
Why Islamic countries do not represent Islam ???
How do you want the Islamic state ??
Do you want to pattern Daash ??
Or on the Saudi style ???

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

"Uprooted"? Uprooted is not the same thing as "abolishing" slavery.

Again, nothing in the Qur'an say that Islam has abolished slavery. Slavery is still permissible in the Qur'an, whether it be buying, selling or taking slave from wars.

Slavery has been operating in many ancient and medieval civilisations, including Muhammad's own time.

And manumission or emancipation (freeing a slave or slaves) is not uncommon, and have occurred long before Muhammad's time.

Muhammad himself has owned slaves before, and had first choice of who to take as slaves, and he would take the most beautiful captive as slave. Just because he released.

And Muhammad permitted women and children to be sold in slave market after the Banu Qurayza had surrendered, while the men that didn't covert to Islam were beheaded (as little as 600, or as many 900 were beheaded, depending on the sources). Muhammad was there, but he did nothing to stop this from happening.

Muslim has two sides ???
First he says he rejects slavery ???
But he also accepted ??
Because the Koran did not abolish slavery ??

 

[Smart_Guy]

Mr Smart_Guy, can I ask you, do you see any defects in your belief system ?.

I personally see no defects in my belief system, but that's my opinion and view. I don't impose them on anyone, and I respect different opinions and views about it. I believe what matters is being friendly, not what one believes in without harming others.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

This is the position of Muslim scholars in slavery ??
They want jihad even own slaves ?
I think that our colleague Smart Jaya wants this state ??? Islamist ???

Had returned phenomenon of slavery (if returned Jihad ) , judgments exist and will not be lost without a doubt .

 

[psychoslice]

I personally see no defects in my belief system, but that's my opinion and view. I don't impose them on anyone, and I respect different opinions and views about it. I believe what matters is being friendly, not what one believes in without harming others.

Well said, and I hope more of your congregation think as you do.

 

[Smart_Guy]

My question is clear
Why Islamic countries do not represent Islam ???
How do you want the Islamic state ??
Do you want to pattern Daash ??
Or on the Saudi style ???

Okay, I'll play along.

Because they are people. People are not perfect.

Islamic state? You mean I S I S ? What do you mean by how do I want it? I don't want it.

Pattern Dash? I don't understand the question! Please revise it in good English.

*audi is a country, and I answered that above. Which means no, if it is hard to understand.

Look, if you know anyone that can help you in English, it is okay to refer to them. I can't get you point, and answering to unclear point only makes things worse.