As I read the Quran, which parts should I ignore?

[icehorse]

Oh dear! You don't want to be one of those people, do you?

What if you decided to believe in God? You would no longer fit into that category would you.
You might feel that those verses imply that you can't become a believer, but I don't think it means that.

Some disciples of Muhammad(peace be with him) were very staunch disbelievers at first, but later became staunch believers

In other places the Quran declares that Allah will know if a non-believer is pretending to believe - also with bad results. I think my interpretation is the most parsimonious, Allah has "sealed my heart".

 

[paarsurrey]

Well I for one did read the book from cover to cover. This particular idea comes up very early in the book surah 2:6 and 2:7:

2:6* Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.
2:7** Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allah's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.

One did not understand the verses correctly.
*Detailed English Commentary
**Detailed English Commentary
Please read the above explanations.
Regards

 

[icehorse]

Hi paarsurrey,

I appreciate that you're learning English, and you also have my congratulations. I think probably you should be saying "You didn't understand..."

As for your claim that I didn't understand... perhaps, but I think millions and millions of Muslims would agree with me.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi paarsurrey,
I appreciate that you're learning English, and you also have my congratulations. I think probably you should be saying "You didn't understand..."
As for your claim that I didn't understand... perhaps, but I think millions and millions of Muslims would agree with me.

Humans are humans, they can make mistakes. The mistakes could be rectified with correct understanding only which has been provided.
You are a friend.
Regards

 

[RAYYAN]

- 1:7 - Allah is forever angry with Christians and Jews
- 2:106 - Some verses can be abrogated (replaced), by later verses.
- 2:178 - Slavery is ok.
- 2:193 - Fight non-believers until there are no non-believers.
- 2:216 - Participate in violent Jihad even if you don't want to.
- 2:223 - Have sex with your wife whenever YOU want to.
- 3:118 - 3:120 - Non-believers are not to be trusted - in many ways
- 3:157 - Dying as a martyr is a great idea.
- 4:89 - Kill apostates
- 5:45 - Eye for an eye, life for a life
- 5:57 - Don't criticize religion
- 6:60 - You can be guilty of thought crimes
- 7:166 - Think of Jews as monkeys
- 8:73 - Create a caliphate
- 9:1 - Break treaties with non-believers
- 9:29 - Fight and subdue non-believers, have them pay the jizyah
- 13:41 - Keep taking the lands of the non-believers
- 23: 6 - Wives and slaves are possessions
- 24:8 - Ways for wives to avoid stoning
- 24:60 - Old women shouldn't expect to get married
- 25:53 - Fresh water and salt water don't mix
- 29:28 - Sodomy is the worst sin
- 31:6 - Music and singing are discouraged
- 47:35 - Don't ask for peace if you have the upper hand
- 57:10 - Conquerers get the best reward
- 68:9 - Non-believers will hope for compromise - don't compromise with them
- 86:13 - Laws are in the Quran

99.9% of this list is wrong
00.01% I don't see where the problem is

It is a big list to go through, but you can choose one, We discuss it then We move to the other..... how is that?

 

[muhammad_isa]

I think my interpretation is the most parsimonious, Allah has "sealed my heart".

I believe it
Giving up smoking is very difficult, but not impossible. What I mean is, the deeper your 'darkness' becomes, the harder it is to become enlightened. It's a great struggle .. we know that people can change their mind .. either way .. we have eyes to see, and brains to think!

 

[icehorse]

Hi RAYYAN,

You say my list is wrong. Perhaps, but I'll say again that millions and millions of Muslims would agree with most or all of that list. So how do you know that your interpretations are the "correct" ones?

 

[icehorse]

I believe it
Giving up smoking is very difficult, but not impossible. What I mean is, the deeper your 'darkness' becomes, the harder it is to become enlightened. It's a great struggle .. we know that people can change their mind .. either way .. we have eyes to see, and brains to think!

From where I'm standing, I'm more enlightened than what the Quran commands me to do. Why would I want to change my mind? Do you have any evidence that would convince me that I should change my mind?

 

[muhammad_isa]

..Why would I want to change my mind? Do you have any evidence that would convince me that I should change my mind?

I doubt it .. I can only say that "the truth is out there"
You have to find it yourself. If you're convinced that you have found it, perhaps you could explain to me how you found it?

 

[icehorse]

I doubt it .. I can only say that "the truth is out there"
You have to find it yourself. If you're convinced that you have found it, perhaps you could explain to me how you found it?

I wouldn't claim to have found all the answers, but I'm pretty sure the path includes valuing evidence.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I wouldn't claim to have found all the answers, but I'm pretty sure the path includes valuing evidence.

Of course it does .. sometimes we have to travel to the other side of the world to find it!

 

[icehorse]

Of course it does .. sometimes we have to travel to the other side of the world to find it!

Sometimes we do, and sometimes we can rely on journalism, polls, stats, and so on. In fact, most of the time we MUST rely on those things. All 7 billion of us can't travel the world.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..All 7 billion of us can't travel the world.

I'm not suggesting that we have to be gypsies

 

[icehorse]

I'm not suggesting that we have to be gypsies

Ok, so what are you suggesting in terms of traveling the world? For example, are you saying that we should study other cultures? If so, I agree!

 

[RAYYAN]

Hi RAYYAN,

You say my list is wrong. Perhaps, but I'll say again that millions and millions of Muslims would agree with most or all of that list. So how do you know that your interpretations are the "correct" ones?

I don't think million and millions of Muslims agree with the list. where you got this number!!

 

[icehorse]

I don't think million and millions of Muslims agree with the list. where you got this number!!

Here's one place: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

 

[RAYYAN]

Here's one place: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

the links shows support for Sharia Law.......
what does it have to do with your list?

 

[icehorse]

The Quran gives Muslims many general instructions. Sharia takes those general instructions, and turns them into specific behaviors and laws.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Quran gives Muslims many general instructions. Sharia takes those general instructions, and turns them into specific behaviors and laws.

Sharia is not to be followed if it is against Quran and Sunnah, Sunnah is the act which is commanded in Quran and done by Muhammad to demonstrate it in action.
Regards

 

[gnostic]

Sharia is not to be followed if it is against Quran and Sunnah, Sunnah is the act which is commanded in Quran and done by Muhammad to demonstrate it in action.

Since the Qur'an don't forbid owning or selling non-Muslims as slaves, then Islam is still condoning slave trades.

And Muhammad have demonstrated in action, that slavery or slave trades are acceptable. Referring to the aftermath of the surrender of the Banu Qurayza. The great hypocrite.