As I read the Quran, which parts should I ignore?

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Your words are not clear at all. You even admit that you only are interpreting something. Who are you to judge one interpretation over another? On what authority do you say the people in the old testament had it wrong with slavery? You fail to answer my question regarding authority. On what authority do you make these claims?

My words are clear
Christian texts where not allow slavery
Christianity stems from the idea of freedom
If you can not support your words in the text , it means the safety of my position
2. I am not here to judge and also Aavred Tfseerata
I invite you to look at my words
There is a difference between the texts of the Koran which allow slavery and Christianity , which refuses to slavery

 

[Godobeyer]

My words are clear
Christian texts where not allow slavery
Christianity stems from the idea of freedom
If you can not support your words in the text , it means the safety of my position
2. I am not here to judge and also Aavred Tfseerata
I invite you to look at my words
There is a difference between the texts of the Koran which allow slavery and Christianity , which refuses to slavery

you wrong .

as i know the Bible allowed slavery .

can you list the scriptures / texts which said slavery is not allow ?

 

[Godobeyer]

But slavery is correct possession of four women at one time
This is the right of slavery it in the loss of personal freedom

how about Solomon (pbuh) who had more than 500 wives and may he had slaves ?

 

[serp777]

My words are clear
Christian texts where not allow slavery
Christianity stems from the idea of freedom
If you can not support your words in the text , it means the safety of my position
2. I am not here to judge and also Aavred Tfseerata
I invite you to look at my words
There is a difference between the texts of the Koran which allow slavery and Christianity , which refuses to slavery

Now you're straight up lying. I cited Leviticus and exodus and you know it. Go back to my previous posts. Don't make me recite my quotes AGAIN for God's sake.

I invite you to go back to my first reply to you. And you refuse to answer on what authority you claim to be able to accurately interpret the books.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

I'd like to gain a basic understanding of Islam. I'm not thinking of signing up anytime soon, but it's worth understanding. I've been at it for a couple of years now and I've found it to be hard to pin down. I'm often told that I'm "misinterpreting" parts, or that I lack historical perspective or this or that...

So here are some ideas I found in the Quran, and my guess is that I'll be told I should ignore them, that they are not part of the "true Islam", even though we see many Muslims in the world pursuing these ideas:

- 1:7 - Allah is forever angry with Christians and Jews
- 2:106 - Some verses can be abrogated (replaced), by later verses.
- 2:178 - Slavery is ok.
- 2:193 - Fight non-believers until there are no non-believers.
- 2:216 - Participate in violent Jihad even if you don't want to.
- 2:223 - Have sex with your wife whenever YOU want to.
- 3:118 - 3:120 - Non-believers are not to be trusted - in many ways
- 3:157 - Dying as a martyr is a great idea.
- 4:89 - Kill apostates
- 5:45 - Eye for an eye, life for a life
- 5:57 - Don't criticize religion
- 6:60 - You can be guilty of thought crimes
- 7:166 - Think of Jews as monkeys
- 8:73 - Create a caliphate
- 9:1 - Break treaties with non-believers
- 9:29 - Fight and subdue non-believers, have them pay the jizyah
- 13:41 - Keep taking the lands of the non-believers
- 23: 6 - Wives and slaves are possessions
- 24:8 - Ways for wives to avoid stoning
- 24:60 - Old women shouldn't expect to get married
- 25:53 - Fresh water and salt water don't mix
- 29:28 - Sodomy is the worst sin
- 31:6 - Music and singing are discouraged
- 47:35 - Don't ask for peace if you have the upper hand
- 57:10 - Conquerers get the best reward
- 68:9 - Non-believers will hope for compromise - don't compromise with them
- 86:13 - Laws are in the Quran

For most of these verses that I mentioned, there are many similar verses to support them, so it's not just about misunderstanding single verses, these messages are "oft repeated".

If I were to think that Muslims believed in the messages in the Quran, this list would be quite alarming. But we're told over and over that Islam is a religion of peace.

Perhaps you see my dilemma here... What do Muslims value and believe?

note: sorry, got the first reference wrong, updated 1:1 to be 1:7

Sorry but I'm not about to read all of this thread by any mean. I will give you my opinion of your OP. Ignore ALLOFT except those parts that speak directly to your being. Like any ancient text pretending to be wisdom (or modern wisdom text for that matter) there are parts that are wisdom and parts that aren't...

The best advice for anyone asking the question you ask is DON'T FREAKING ASK ANYONE ELSE, READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!! Yes you can ask opinions or for commentary, but THINK ABOUT IT and don't take anyone else's word on what it means.

Never accept an answer without an explanation you can understand. If you don't understand it, it's tentative at best.

 

[icehorse]

Sorry but I'm not about to read all of this thread by any mean. I will give you my opinion of your OP. Ignore ALLOFT except those parts that speak directly to your being. Like any ancient text pretending to be wisdom (or modern wisdom text for that matter) there are parts that are wisdom and parts that aren't...

The best advice for anyone asking the question you ask is DON'T FREAKING ASK ANYONE ELSE, READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!! Yes you can ask opinions or for commentary, but THINK ABOUT IT and don't take anyone else's word on what it means.

Never accept an answer without an explanation you can understand. If you don't understand it, it's tentative at best.

Hi FA,
I already know what I think of Abrahamic scripture as it applies to my own spirituality.

The reason I study scripture is to try to understand people who give it power. My sense is for people who believe in their scripture, they must either cherry-pick and interpret mightily, or else you get interpretations like what ISIS and Boko Haram implement. So, given that most Muslims are peaceful, I want to know how they know what to cherry-pick.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Now you're straight up lying. I cited Leviticus and exodus and you know it. Go back to my previous posts. Don't make me recite my quotes AGAIN for God's sake.

I invite you to go back to my first reply to you. And you refuse to answer on what authority you claim to be able to accurately interpret the books.

I am I discuss
But I'm told you have to know the difference between the Torah and the Gospel
I want you evidence and proofs of the Gospel

Comparison between the Bible and the Koran only
Are the texts of the Bible supports slavery ???
And if you want to work a comparison between the Koran and the Torah
The Koran stole some of the texts and put them in the Koran
That is why I do not lie

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I invite you to go back to my first reply to you. And you refuse to answer on what authority you claim to be able to accurately interpret the books

The best way to examine the texts and books is your mind
I use my mind
When Check Gospel texts that are with Christians
Where no text supports slavery
But when I check the Koran and the texts of the Koran there are texts supports slavery
For this comparison between the Bible and the Koran are in favor of the Gospel
When Examine the texts of the Torah there are texts referring to slavery
Even these texts are not calling for the Jews to enslave people
But the texts speak of the social systems in those ages
Even in the Torah result rejects slavery

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

how about Solomon (pbuh) who had more than 500 wives and may he had slaves ?

Who said these words ?? 500 ?? wife Where is the written source ???
Well ---
I am with you the most complex agreement
Come use our mind
Solomon was with him many wives
But Christ said polygamy is rejected
When Muhammad came , he used the style of Solomon in polygamy
Which is better ????
Leave you answer

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to-serp777 Active Member
Transmitted novels about the way the spread of Christianity in the first century AD
Says that it was spread among the poor and those who were slaves
Do you think that the slaves believe in religion calls for the consolidation of slavery
History says that these slaves are free to believe they would be with Christ
For that believed in Christianity
And if you want more you reading the wonderful novel Kovadis
You'll learn how martyred St. Peter and Paul with these slaves in Romania stadiums in Rome during Nero's rule

 

[DawudTalut]

Peace be on all.
Though current major religions do have institution of slavery but actually no Prophets had ordered it.
Islam abolishes slavery.
The only slavery Islam mentions are prisoner of war. Apart from this, Islam countenances no form of slavery.
More @

""........... The history of the Church shows that efforts were made on many occasions to put an end to slavery but on each occasion the fiercest opposition was offered by the Church. In Hinduism, the caste system has established slavery so firmly and on so vast a scale that slavery in the ordinary sense becomes but a small evil by comparison. Islam abolished slavery altogether. There is, however, one institution recognised by Islam which has been described as slavery and that is the taking of prisoners of war. But if this is an evil, it is a necessary consequence of war. When two nations are fighting each other, it cannot be expected that prisoners taken during the day would be set at liberty at night, so that they could return to their people and join the battle again on their own side the following morning. Even in certain games in which we are caught by the opposite side we have to be counted out for the rest of the game and are no longer at liberty to participate in it for the rest of the innings. As a matter of fact, if prisoners could not be made during a war, or if it were obligatory to release them as soon as they were taken, wars would become almost interminable. This is, therefore, an evil which is a necessary accompaniment of war. Apart from this, Islam countenances no form of slavery. God says in the Holy Qur’an:

It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath shed blood in war in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise. (8:68).

It was not permitted to any prophet to make slaves of anybody. That is to say, not only was the Holy Prophet sa forbidden to make slaves but, according to this part of the verse, even previous prophets were not at liberty to do so, and, therefore, they did not actually do so. We must, therefore, conclude that neither Krishna nor Ram Chandra, Moses nor Jesus did so, and those who attribute this kind of conduct to them are not to be believed. The verse quoted above goes on to say that in the case of a war, which involves bloodshed on a large scale, it is permissible to take prisoners of war. This again indicates that prisoners of war may be taken only in wars between Nations or States, but not of the result of tribal raids or family feuds. It then goes on to explain that those, who desire to enslave people or to make them prisoners under other conditions, are merely seeking worldly advantage and not the pleasure of God, whereas God desires that they should seek benefits for the life to come. God is Mighty, Wise: meaning that these injunctions like all God’s Commandments are based on true wisdom, and that if they are contravened, and Muslims proceed to establish the institution of slavery, they will in turn be themselves enslaved. History tells us that among whichever people slavery became established, those people are reduced to the position of slaves......""
From Page 57 + @ https://www.alislam.org/library/books/newworldorder/Nizam-e-Nau.pdf
by Second Ahmadiyya Khalifah (r.a.)

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Peace be on all.
Though current major religions do have institution of slavery but actually no Prophets had ordered it.
Islam abolishes slavery.
The only slavery Islam mentions are prisoner of war. Apart from this, Islam countenances no form of slavery.
More @

مثنى وثلاث ورباع وما ملكت ايمانكم
What do these words mean three in the Arabic language
They slaves , my friend.
It's from the provisions of the Koran
I understand the Koran, Arabic language ( properties right) means slaves
The man has the right to legal marriage and also owning slaves
This state is famous from the Koran
Declare the first half and mislead and visit in the second part of this verse

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

In 2003, Saudi Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan issued a fatwa in which he said that slavery is part of Islam and it is part of jihad, and jihad will continue as long as Islam remains, then Sheikh Fawzan attacked Muslim scholars who say the opposite, claiming that they were "ignorant and are not scientists, but just a book," He added that anyone who says such things is an infidel atheist, is worth mentioning that Sheikh Al-Fawzan he held the following positions when issued this fatwa: a member of the senior clerics council, which is the highest religious body in Saudi Arabia and a member of the religious research and preacher of the Council of Prince tired mosque in Riyadh and a lecturer at Imam Muhammad bin Saud Islamic University, which is the main Wahhabi education center in the state. "Reference: A group of researchers - quoting answer.com under Islam and the title slavery- translation: Dialogue Center for Culture.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Did not Muhammad today completed your religion? How completed and left behind Alnkhasin market !! How campus Lord Mohammed wine (in stages) was deprived of slavery, but on the contrary At the beginning of Islam were not allowed to become a Muslim nor Christian nor Jewish slave. Verses related Paljoara and slaves landed after the death of Khadija after the revelation about ten years, and not from the beginning of the call, all of which emphasize the freedom to have sex with them, how fought Muhammad holy idols among the people of Quraysh and called for the unification of God directly and boldly large, «God forbidden the sale alcohol, dead Alkhnrir and idols »did not fight the idea of possession, buying and selling of human beings, but pinned at the ends of his call, was it not the subject of possession of slaves and slaves and concubines and Alm_khasaan him such importance until it descends expressly prohibited by, although there is a lot of verses revealed
.
This is a wonderful question because it carries the ideas of agreement
I found this question in one of the web pages
Although there is a lot of verses revealed to the simplest things for the lives of Muhammad , was revealed , for example, for marriages Mohammed , in order to distinguish his wives for other women ( and they better than chaste ) and how to access his home , and not to prolong the sitting has , and the verses of the decomposition of him sleeping with whom he and expansion in the marriage of marriage and non- married wives without after his death .... etc , I do not know how many verses come down to who says "I am a man like yourselves ," do not come down one verse only liberated the entire community .

 

[DawudTalut]

مثنى وثلاث ورباع وما ملكت ايمانكم
What do these words mean three in the Arabic language
They slaves , my friend.
It's from the provisions of the Koran
I understand the Koran, Arabic language ( properties right) means slaves
The man has the right to legal marriage and also owning slaves
This state is famous from the Koran
Declare the first half and mislead and visit in the second part of this verse

Peace to all.
1-Before Quran, people were marrying a lot of women at a time. For example:
"Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines."

2-Quran set the limit, for wisdom of times e.g, after wars when many men die.

3-Quran does not say, Muslims must marry more than one women, it is permission only.

4- You quoted from (ch4:v4), the chapter 3 ended about patient and duty on borders. i.e. time of danger. And orphans are mentioned in beginning of Chapter 4, clearly war scenario is mentioned. More possible (not obligatory) marriages are mentioned in (4:4).

5- Kindly get language Specialist's help to read this page and next page about وما ملكت ايمانكم

Source: The Holy Quran [plz read this and next page by help of link]
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/quran/tafseer/?page=183&region=EN&CR=E1,E2

 

[serp777]

I am I discuss
But I'm told you have to know the difference between the Torah and the Gospel
I want you evidence and proofs of the Gospel

Comparison between the Bible and the Koran only
Are the texts of the Bible supports slavery ???
And if you want to work a comparison between the Koran and the Torah
The Koran stole some of the texts and put them in the Koran
That is why I do not lie

Well "im told" that the bible includes both Leviticus and exodus which advocate for significant slavery. On what authority do you claim these aren't part of the bible? On what authority do you determine that the new testament is more prevalent and superior than the old testament. I dont think you're the next prophet.

 

[Godobeyer]

Peace to all.
1-Before Quran, people were marrying a lot of women at a time. For example:
"Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines."

2-Quran set the limit, for wisdom of times e.g, after wars when many men die.

3-Quran does not say, Muslims must marry more than one women, it is permission only.

4- You quoted from (ch4:v4), the chapter 3 ended about patient and duty on borders. i.e. time of danger. And orphans are mentioned in beginning of Chapter 4, clearly war scenario is mentioned. More possible (not obligatory) marriages are mentioned in (4:4).

5- Kindly get language Specialist's help to read this page and next page about وما ملكت ايمانكم

Source: The Holy Quran [plz read this and next page by help of link]
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/quran/tafseer/?page=183&region=EN&CR=E1,E2

thanks brother for this kind answser , and thanks for correct my error number about Solomon (pbuh) wives .

 

[NoX]

LoL this is what happens if you use your *** to understand something instead of your brain

 

[Muffled]

I'd like to gain a basic understanding of Islam. I'm not thinking of signing up anytime soon, but it's worth understanding. I've been at it for a couple of years now and I've found it to be hard to pin down. I'm often told that I'm "misinterpreting" parts, or that I lack historical perspective or this or that...

So here are some ideas I found in the Quran, and my guess is that I'll be told I should ignore them, that they are not part of the "true Islam", even though we see many Muslims in the world pursuing these ideas:

- 1:7 - Allah is forever angry with Christians and Jews
- 2:106 - Some verses can be abrogated (replaced), by later verses.
- 2:178 - Slavery is ok.
- 2:193 - Fight non-believers until there are no non-believers.
- 2:216 - Participate in violent Jihad even if you don't want to.
- 2:223 - Have sex with your wife whenever YOU want to.
- 3:118 - 3:120 - Non-believers are not to be trusted - in many ways
- 3:157 - Dying as a martyr is a great idea.
- 4:89 - Kill apostates
- 5:45 - Eye for an eye, life for a life
- 5:57 - Don't criticize religion
- 6:60 - You can be guilty of thought crimes
- 7:166 - Think of Jews as monkeys
- 8:73 - Create a caliphate
- 9:1 - Break treaties with non-believers
- 9:29 - Fight and subdue non-believers, have them pay the jizyah
- 13:41 - Keep taking the lands of the non-believers
- 23: 6 - Wives and slaves are possessions
- 24:8 - Ways for wives to avoid stoning
- 24:60 - Old women shouldn't expect to get married
- 25:53 - Fresh water and salt water don't mix
- 29:28 - Sodomy is the worst sin
- 31:6 - Music and singing are discouraged
- 47:35 - Don't ask for peace if you have the upper hand
- 57:10 - Conquerers get the best reward
- 68:9 - Non-believers will hope for compromise - don't compromise with them
- 86:13 - Laws are in the Quran

For most of these verses that I mentioned, there are many similar verses to support them, so it's not just about misunderstanding single verses, these messages are "oft repeated".

If I were to think that Muslims believed in the messages in the Quran, this list would be quite alarming. But we're told over and over that Islam is a religion of peace.

Perhaps you see my dilemma here... What do Muslims value and believe?

note: sorry, got the first reference wrong, updated 1:1 to be 1:7

I believe reading the Saudi Arabian commentary wasn't worth reading unless one wants a perverted view of the Qu'ran otherwise it is all good.

I believe this verse says no such thing. I believe you have totally misinterpeted the verse. I believe I am a Christian by grace that I follow the "Way", that I will not come under God's wrath and that I do not stray from my beliefs.

 

[Muffled]

LoL this is what happens if you use your *** to understand something instead of your brain

I beleive it is worse than that because the person appears to be using his brain for evil. It only looks asinine because we know better but he should know better also.