Ask About Islam

[KWED]

We know what happened. You don't have to try and explain through non authenticated resources that do not coincide with what Allah and His Messenger has brought.

What? So now you are rejecting any history that does not correspond with the contents of the Quran or sunnah, regardless of the supporting evidence?

 

[KWED]

Thank you. That was very informative. It seems to be hard to find good treatments of the history of early Islam.

Hodgson's "The Venture of Islam" is pretty good.

 

[KWED]

In your view, you can't blame them for thinking this way, but Allah does state the truth.

Confirmation bias and question begging.
You only think Allah states the truth because you are a Muslim. To non-Muslims it is obviously not the truth. Other religionists believe their god states the truth with just as much conviction as you do.

Every person who hears about Islam and denies it once it has reached them, they will be called to account for it.

Even if Allah has led them astray so none can guide them? Or if Allah created them for hell?
That doesn't seem fair, merciful or just, does it?

I understand what women have strived for. You understand what women and the past centuries have stood for. But to keep God out of the equation, that system will never succeed.

Ironically, Muhammad said that a country would never succeed with a woman as leader. He was wrong about that as well.

Man made laws never work out and to place them over their Creator's laws and commandments, we all know from the religious circumstances in the past-what has happened.

And yet the countries that rank highest in prosperity, safety, welfare, equality, happiness, etc not only have man-made laws, but are usually secular as well. How do you explain that?

 

[KWED]

Mohammad pbuh was one of the most influential people of all times . So you really think that a man of that caliber would hurt the innocent?

He had hundreds of helpless, non-combatant prisoners beheaded (including boys as young as 10 or 11), and all the women and children of the tribe sold into slavery.
You don't call that "hurting the innocent"?

Muhammad was simply a man of his time and place. It was a sometimes brutal and violent time and place, so Muhammad was sometimes brutal and violent. Nothing remarkable about it.

 

[KWED]

Islam was before Mohammad (s), before Musa (a), I don't see your point with that.

No, the religion was not. There were similar religions before it that Islam borrowed from, but they were not Islam.
That's like saying because reggae evolved from ska in the late 60s, reggae has been around since the 50s. Obvious nonsense.

BTW, if you don't use the reply button, no one knows what you are replying to.

 

[KWED]

Oh, how very thoughtful. So, would you allow your eight years old daughter to marry an old guy if he promises to not touch her until she is 18?

He only waited until she was 9 before having sex with her.

I have to ask you this. Why do you advertise for a religion whose main prophet is either a medieval misogynistic person, with no more added value than the rest at that time (best case), or just a sexual pervert into little girls (worst case)?

There is a hadith where one of Muhammad's companions tells him he has married an older woman who had been married before, and Muhammad tells him young virgins are better.

If I were you, believing what you believe, I would keep my faith very secret.

It is quite disturbing how often we see apologists of Islam defending things like sex with a child, slavery, torture, etc, simply because they were things that happened to have been mentioned in a record of life in Arabia 1400 years ago.

 

[KWED]

All one has to do is learn. Start with "Allah knows more than you do and start learning".

This is a fundamentally flawed approach.
How do I know that Allah knows more than me? Because you said so? WADR, that's not enough.
Because Allah tells me he does? I will need to see his credentials first.
So, what are those credentials? There is only one - the Quran. That is literally all we have to judge him on.
After reading the Quran, it is apparent that Allah does not know more than me about anything. Most of it is rehashed mythology from earlier religions. Wherever there is anything factual that can be objectively assessed it is either unremarkable, vague, inaccurate or just plain wrong.
It is clear that in reality, I know more that whoever wrote the Quran. That is what I have learned.

 

[lukethethird]

Islam was sent as a mercy for mankind. Submission to the only one God, the Creator of the universe, the only one worthy of worship. Our duty upon this earth is to worship Him although we do not see Him, but we know He sees us.

If you have any questions regarding Islam, send a post here or in private and I will try to get back to you as soon as I am available.

Thank you,

MyM

I don't see anything Islam has to offer any different than any other religion, and I see no reason for anyone to worship, seems kind of odd.

 

[KWED]

Again, nice try. Times have changed. Back then it was the norm.

Ah, so the Quran and Muhammad's example are not a timeless and universal guide for all mankind? They only apply to a certain time and place? Seems reasonable.

She lived with Mohammad pbuh and she never once complained like you are making it sound.

So if an abused wife or child doesn't have an official complaint on record, they aren't being abused?
Also, Google "Stockholm syndrome".

However, that is all irrelevant. The point is that a 54 year old man having sex with a 9 year old girl is wrong by default, even if it did used to sometimes happen back then. And if that man is held up as the best moral example for all mankind, then it is doubly wrong.

The decency just doesn't exist as it did for Aisha.

What? The "decency" of an old man having sex with a little girl? You may need to look up "decent" in the dictionary.

And Allah knows best.

The evidence suggests otherwise.

 

[Link]

But Allah created hell in the first place, when there was no need for it.
And he created mankind when there was also no need.
He then created the conditions under which he sends people to hell.
So, how is any of that "merciful" or "just", and how is any of it anyone's responsibility but god's?

Salam

God could've not created anything and also he could've created things in a way that guarantees their guidance.

He looked at his creation and was happy that it was good, and really lucked out with the exalted best of the best.

But he took a gamble when trying Angels with Adam, it was expected all prostrate to Adam but not all did. Then took a gamble and let Iblis challenge his chosen Adam and humanity. Then when things unexpectedly fell apart, he took a further gamble in creating a fallen world.

The Torah has a verse that God regretted creating humans when Noah's people were drowned. We had in us now a culture, that would rebel against God and deny his signs.

Both Jinn and Humans, this was not odd or bad or evil or strange, it became the norm. Time and time again.

I use to find fault with that verse, but after reflecting, it seems it's true.

God wanted a perfect world. When Error handling world was created, it was to fix us and help us and guide us back, but the result is the opposite. And this is God's words in my view:

"...and if he wished he could've gave every soul it's guidance, but his word has come true (ie. promise to Iblis) that he will fill the hell with humans and Jinn all together (that disbelieve)"

It seems it's saying God could've created this world in a way that guarantees guidance, but the gambles were made, and his promise remains, and so there is no turning back now.

This is a sad world. And God expresses his grief in Surah Yaseen:

"Oh (intense) grief over my servants, there comes not them a Messenger except regarding him they would mock."

So why did he gamble? In my view, it's because the reward in freely choosing to worship God is just better. His relationship with us would be better. We would feel better about ourselves and each other and him.

It was unexpected that Iblis refuses. It was unexpected Adam the elite chosen one, doubts and wavers. It was unexpected humanity turns away from chosen Guides like Seth, Enoch, and Noah, and disobey God.

What has happened has happened.

There is still a way to fix things before the final non-Nabi Messenger comes, the Mahdi. And the return of Jesus and Elijah and Enoch and other chosen ones, we can prepare for them, bringing them back on good terms.

If they come back on bad terms, I fear the disgrace that will fall upon us will be great and cities destroyed will be majority (with very little believing).

 

[MyM]

I don't see anything Islam has to offer any different than any other religion, and I see no reason for anyone to worship, seems kind of odd.

Have you read the Quran with an open mind?

 

[KWED]

You cannot speak for a child. She never once stated that she wanted to leave or tried to leave, because she was probably scared to death that she would be killed. Aisha was a victim. Her perspective? Like it would have meant anything in that time or that part of the world. She was young, and a woman to boot. She had no say in it.

With the kind of power imbalance between a young girl and a revered leader who everyone believes is god's messenger, she may well have seen it as an honour and have considered any reluctance on her own part as weakness or disrespect. It's the kind of dynamic that abusers often exploit.

 

[KWED]

That is what you say. She as an adult, all the time growing up, she never once claimed to be the victim. In her sayings, she praised her life. Aisha is considered to be the "Mother of the Believers". She was a remarkable woman and known for over 2000 ahadith. To say what YOU think about her is irrelevant especially if she herself as an adult claimed just the opposite. Who are you to say bad things about her and Mohammad pbuh. You will only see what you want.

“Say: ‘O you mankind! Now truth (i.e. the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad), has come to you from your Lord. So whosoever receives guidance, he does so for the good of his own self; and whosoever goes astray, he does so to his own loss; and I am not (set) over you as a Wakeel (disposer of affairs to oblige you for guidance).’”
Yoonus 10:108

The issue isn't about what Aisha said (although we only have hagiographical texts for that).
It is about what Muhammad did.
You accept that the he had sex with her when she was 9 and he was 54. And yet you try to justify and defend it in the context of Muhammad being a role modal and moral example for all people for all times. Just think about what that means...

 

[KWED]

Have you read the Quran with an open mind?

Have you?

This is another one of those question begging, no true scotsman arguments.
"If you have read the Quran and aren't convinced it is the word of god, you didn't read it with an open mind."

Careful that your mind isn't so open that your brain falls out.

 

[KWED]

Who broke treaty of Hudabayyah and Why?

Short answer: Muhammad. Because he had become powerful enough to successfully invade Mecca.

 

[KWED]

Will try but know I do not submit to them and I only believe in my Creator and his guidance.
But if you want evidences without subjectivity well...that would be hard to do because most of them deal with a "belief" system rather than factual proof so you can't really ask that without knowing it to be true.

Trinity-3-Godhead
Buddah
Olympian Gods
Hindu Gods
Goddesses
Gods
who knows people could have made up more lol and probably have lol

So you accept that there is no actual evidence for your version of god, just belief, and it might be made up like all the others?

 

[KWED]

It's not nice to generalize.

Didn't you just generalise "the west" as a nightmare of rape, abuse and incest for women, when in reality it is no such thing and the majority of women live in perfect safety?
Typical double standards of the religious apologist.

 

[KWED]

Well, if a progressive American Muslim

They sound more like a conservative fundamentalist to me.

It would have been suboptimal to have been stoned to death at the beginning of vacation, lol.

But this association between prayer rooms and lavatories made me think. What is the policy considering transexuals who want to pray? Where do they go?

Hell, as soon as can be arranged?

 

[KWED]

Honestly, it's always from short-sightedness to Quran that people don't see it's miracle nature.

You are just confirming my argument. Only a Muslim makes that claim. It is simple confirmation bias.

 

[Sheldon]

Harsh penalties discourage crimes.

I'm not sure that's true. The countries with the best record on rates of crime, and especially those who have low rates of recidivism, tend to have a very different approach to this.