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Ask About Islam

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
That's your business. Prejudices are typical and Pride normal when defending your status. But don't push what you feel into what you don't understand. It's not nice to generalize. Imagine if all the billions of Muslims in this world were the way you said, the world wouldn't stand a chance.
Well, if a progressive American Muslim in Dubai still does not see that marrying a 8 years old girl to an old man is an abomination, independently of time and culture, an utter disrespect for girls and human feelings in general, then that speaks volumes of what all Islam thinks of women. It just tells me that all Muslims think alike. Progressive, and non progressive ones.

Talking of Dubai. That triggers another question, which is related to an anecdote.

During one of my vacations in the Pacific Islands, we had to stop in Dubai airport for a couple hours. I noticed there were separate prayers rooms, in the airport, for men and women (which is already ridiculous per se). You know, they had those little man/lady icons showing where women had to go, and men had to go. I remember that vividly, because the signalization made me confuse them for lavatories. So, since I had a biological call, I entered it. Only when I entered it with my boots and all, I realised it was not a lavatory. Fortunately nobody saw me. It would have been suboptimal to have been stoned to death at the beginning of vacation, lol.

But this association between prayer rooms and lavatories made me think. What is the policy considering transexuals who want to pray? Where do they go?

Ciao

- viole
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Islam was sent as a mercy for mankind.
What does that mean?

Submission to the only one God, the Creator of the universe, the only one worthy of worship. Our duty upon this earth is to worship Him although we do not see Him, but we know He sees us.
How do you know the god of Islam exists?

If you have any questions regarding Islam, send a post here or in private and I will try to get back to you as soon as I am available.
We can start with those two.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
We have Muslims here already such as @Link and @firedragon to name a couple of more prolific members.You might want to see what they have written.
To be fair, neither of them has written much of any worth. The former because of his strange obsession with "dark magic" and its influence on everything, the latter because of his determination to avoid actually addressing any issues raised.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
I believe that God is the Supreme Being. In Islam, He is the creator of all things. In Islam, Allah says that we are here to worship Him alone, to not create or attribute partners unto Him. He is the ONE and ONLY.

It is crucial because in Islam, Allah is ONE. He says for us to believe in one Him and there are many verses over and over in the Quran that He is claiming that He is One God and those who do not accept this will be punished. There is and always have been one creator of all. To attribute partners unto God is the one thing in Islam that will never be forgiven. To say he is the trinity is polytheism and that goes against the teaching of Islam.
With all due respect, if you are simply going to respond to every question with doctrinal platitudes, it's not going to be very illuminating.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
It has been the people that have corrupted those messages from before...until the end that was predicted and finalized that Islam is the last and final message...after that no more messengers or prophets will come.
If god has already sent several messengers and messages that were able to be corrupted, how do you know this one hasn't been corrupted - bearing in mind that all the followers of all the "corrupted" messages deny any corruption, just as you will deny any corruption?
(Note: rational argument rather than dogmatic platitudes would be good. Thanks.)
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
This is the problem.

In Islam, there is a hadith that states:
The hadeeth of Mu‘aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) stood up amongst us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three sects, seventy-two of which will be in the Fire and one in Paradise. That is the jamaa’ah (the main body of Muslims).”

This hadith is saying that those who follow the correct path that was proven by Mohammad (peace and blessings be upon him) they will enter into Paradise. Whoever deviates from their basic principles and beliefs is the one who deserves to be included among the people of the sects and innovators who go astray. .
Given that every sect claims to be the true one and to be correctly following Muhammad's message - what do you have to support your claim?

I follow what Mohammad (pbuh) has brought to us-not what man make up without proof
And yet you deny or reject some of Allah and Muhammad's revelations and lessons. How do you explain that?
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
In Islam, one of the names of Allah is The Compassionate, The Merciful. His mercy encompasses all things.
Well, this is clearly wrong.
"Mercy" means to punish less than is deserved, yet Allah punished billions of people more than they deserve (unless you think an eternity of torture is a reasonable response for not being convinced by the claims of ancient superstition).
"Compassion" means to show pity and a desire to alleviate suffering, yet Allah is the case of untold suffering for billions of innocent people.

As Allah is clearly not even slightly merciful or compassionate, never mind "all" or "most", Islam is obviously wrong.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Allah says that no one will be able to recreate such a book as His. In saying this, no other book that is around today can make such a claim.
This is obvious nonsense.
1. The Quran is not particularly remarkable. It is only Muslims who claim it is, and that is mere question begging because the Quran tells them that it is.
2. Who is to judge whether another book is its equal or superior? Obviously not Muslims because they have a vested interest in rejecting any challenger by default.
3. In my opinion there are many books that between them are superior to the Quran in every respect. Many others agree. Therefore the Quran is wrong again, thus proving Islam wrong.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
I used to be a born again Christian. I was raised in a First Baptist Family household. It was kinda taboo to look into any other religion. I just questioned my faith in the Bible is all for what I was reading did not coincide with what the preachers were saying.

I started looking into other religions. I was on a quest and I prayed to my Creator only asking Him for guidance and I continued doing that for some time. It was then I came upon Islam.

In Islam, there is evidence to support its claims is what I concluded. There are sound, proven chain of ahadith and no one has yet to come up with a better book in this entire universe than the Quran and God himself challenged anyone to do this.

In the Quran Allah says it is a book of blessings for those who understand and remember. In it you will see that there is an explanation of a set of divine laws; it mentions the way of proof based on reason, presents arguments against the misguided followers of different religions and sects, and argues against them on the basis of strong and clear proof, using very easy and concise language. Those who pretend to be clever tried to come up with proof and evidence like that, but they were not able to do so.

In the Quran Allah says,
“Do they not then consider the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradiction” an-Nisa 4:82 This was one of the verses that really made me look hard into different beliefs as well and their books.

Allah sent down guidance as He did throughout the entire time of man. People have messed around, made up, added, deleted as they see fit and claim their versions as to be from God. I was on a mission to find the truth and I believe I did.

Man made religions you will find fault in them, questions unanswered and things knowingly are not from God. When one searches sincerely and legitimately towards going to their Creator in hopes of finding the true path, Allah knows best on the best course.
What, specifically, first made you realise that Islam was true and all other religions were false? I am interested in concrete, demonstrable arguments or evidence rather than "feelings" or "intuition". Thanks.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
I was a protestant and a very devout one at that. I used to attend church on Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wed night, visitation nights on Thursday, revivals, church camps and even travelled to Jamaica with my Gospel choir.
So you accept that even devout believers can be wrong about their belief.
So why is your belief true when all those millions of other, equally devout believers are wrong, bearing in mind that they are just as convinced of the validity of their "evidence" as you are?
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
This is obvious nonsense.
1. The Quran is not particularly remarkable. It is only Muslims who claim it is, and that is mere question begging because the Quran tells them that it is.
2. Who is to judge whether another book is its equal or superior? Obviously not Muslims because they have a vested interest in rejecting any challenger by default.
3. In my opinion there are many books that between them are superior to the Quran in every respect. Many others agree. Therefore the Quran is wrong again, thus proving Islam wrong.

Honestly, it's always from short-sightedness to Quran that people don't see it's miracle nature. Don't worry I did for five years disbelieving in Islam and argued same as you. But as I was familiar with Quran, and I began to read it again, and reflect it from neutral point of view. I began to notice some very remarkable features of it.

The two places Elyas (a) is mentioned (chapter 6, and chapter 37) is itself remarkable when you understand the philosophy it argues by. The very fact he only appears in these two places and with the topics and flow of the Surahs and with the place of those Surahs with Quran, itself to me, is a miracle.

And you will understand why Gospels emphasized on Elyas (a) with Isa (a).

It's remarkable.

Everything is so calculative in Quran. It repeats a lot of things, but also each Surah has a unique place with special things other Surahs do not have.

If you see Surah Taha (20) and how it emphasizes on Haroun (a), and how Haroun (a) name is 20 times in Quran, and this relationship to day and night, and in Salah the place of Sujood and the words that can be translated (from Salah) as "Lord of the highest", it's very calculative and very precise.

The subtle precision and subtle way of God speaking is beyond human capability .It's clear yet subtle. Manifest yet hidden. Plain speech yet very deep. It's mesmerizing.

I appreciate it for it's simplicity yet how deep the treasure digging keeps going.
 
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KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
I've studied Islam and am not interested.
Ah, but you obviously didn't study it properly.
(Note: "Properly" can involve a quick scan of a dawah leaflet if you convert, but a PHD in Islamic studies and a masters in Classical Arabic are "not properly" if you still criticise Islam)
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
I am not here to convert anyone. The muslim beads are not a part of Islam. They were an innovation. Anything that was innovated after Mohammad pbuh in Islam is rejected.
Do you believe that anything approved or practiced by Muhammad cannot be rejected?
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Because Islam was already completed and it is known that no prophets were to come after Mohammad
Can Allah sent another messenger with another revised message, as he has done several times before?

they were innovators and that is a serious crime.
Why is it a "serious crime"? It's just words and as you have already claimed, Islam cannot be corrupted.

I am not too caught up on the Islamic History about wars
You should look into it. It is fascinating and illuminating. The history of the Islamic empires is every bit as shameful as the European empires. It's a shame that Islam seems reluctant to accept and correct its history in the way that those European countries are doing. I have yet to hear a Muslim condemn the expansionist colonialism of Muhammad and subsequent caliphs, and their subjugation and exploitation of conquered peoples.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Like women are not allowed to speak in church or they are not supposed to show their hair etc.
Do you think women should be able to lead prayers or go out with their hair exposed?

I studied the Bible and what is inside is in contradiction to what they preach it to be.
Ironic, given that you claim the Quran and sunnah do not contain things it does contain, and when people act on what is in the Quran and sunnah, you call them "un-Islamic".
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
I don't know where you came up with this, but Adam taught one God, his Creator. This is what Islam is, submission to the only one worthy of worship. The prophets all taught to believe in One God. Those who created other than that, they will be dealt with by their Creator.
"Adam" is just a story, a myth. He didn't actually exist.
The earliest religions (30-50,000 years ago) were animist, worshiping things such as animals, trees and mountains. Then came polytheism (5-10,000 yers ago, possibly earlier). Monotheism didn't emerge til around 3000 years ago. It is the new kid on the block.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
that is your belief so you can dwell in it.
Oh dear.
It is not "belief". It is verifiable history and biology.
Did you give up on reality entirely when you converted to Islam?
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
I am quoting hadith, it's not on me to make you believe in it. I quoted truth, you deny it. Not my problem to handle your disbelief.

In Islam, Allah talks about his mercy to mankind, gives a descriptive analysis of it.

May God guide you
You titled this thread "Ask About Islam". You claimed that you would answer questions, but all you seem to be able to do is regurgitate dogmatic platitudes and then give up when people press for actual answers.
Very poor, but not entirely surprising.
 
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