Atheists:what does a book gotta have to prove its God's

[Autodidact]

Are you saying when the sun is no more we can survive on earth?

No, I'm saying our sun is just one medium sized star, one of hundreds of billions, on an arm of a single galaxy, one of hundreds of billions of galaxies. Relative to the universe our sun is about the size of a single atom, and will have no effect on the heavens as a whole when it burns out.

 

[Autodidact]

I doubt very much that humans will be around when the sun becomes a Red Giant. I think that mankind will be extinct long before that event. In any event, when the Sun expands, there will be no earth to survive on...the earth will be incinerated, wiped out completely...gone in a massive nuclear fireball.

fin

melissa

Yes, now about the loving, caring God who has provided all things for our good...

 

[~Amin~]

No, I'm saying our sun is just one medium sized star, one of hundreds of billions, on an arm of a single galaxy, one of hundreds of billions of galaxies. Relative to the universe our sun is about the size of a single atom,.

Very true.

and will have no effect on the heavens as a whole when it burns out.

I didnt say that because of the sun the universe will crumble,
just that the earth will also be destroyed.

 

[~Amin~]

Yes, now about the loving, caring God who has provided all things for our good...

We wernt created for this world, we were created for Paradise,
time goes so quik, this life is a small jurney, a little dream,
we should look foward to the next Life.

 

[Autodidact]

Very true.


I didnt say that because of the sun the universe will crumble,
just that the earth will also be destroyed.

but you cited this passage:
we did nat create the heavens and the earth and what
is between them except in truth and for a SPECIFIED term.

It's not the heavens and the earth that have a specified term, it's just one atom of the heavens. The heavens will remain without that atom.

 

[~Amin~]

but you cited this passage:
we did nat create the heavens and the earth and what
is between them except in truth and for a SPECIFIED term.
It's not the heavens and the earth that have a specified term, it's just one atom of the heavens. The heavens will remain without that atom.

Im so happy your investigating what im saying and not just
rattling on like some.

 

[Autodidact]

We wernt created for this world, we were created for Paradise,
time goes so quik, this life is a small jurney, a little dream,
we should look foward to the next Life.

1. That's disgusting. Apparently you won't have a problem then if I kill you or your child?
2. AND YOU KNOW THIS HOW?
3. Well then would you stop going around talking about your caring and loving God? Because when I say I care about them, I don't usually mean that I would as soon kill them as look at them. Your meanings of words are so strange as to amount to dishonesty.

 

[Wandered Off]

Thats not true, that is false, that is wrong.
Who say's so?

I'll need more specifics. What's not true? Who says what? I mean, I'm the one who typed it, but I don't think that's what you were asking.

According to WHO can you please share?

According to those of us who doubt the concept of second-hand revelation, including those to whom you addressed the OP.

Like i mentioned the text is CLEAR even in the metaphore there
a clear message.
Its clear your new to the muslim understanding therfore you may be excused.

I should ignore all the various factions warring and disagreeing with one another? If it were clear, why would there be the need for scholars to interpret the text?

I wouldnt follow paul blindly he has some beatiful statements but also errors.

True. BTW, the Paul I was referring to is none other that our own dear YmirGF, who suggested a way the book could have more convincing evidence of divine origin by appearing to each individual in that individual's own language.

 

[Aasimar]

OOOOOO wee ddooonnttt nnneeeeddd tthhhhhhiiiisssss jjjuuuuuunnnnnkkkkk

A rare occasion I agree, I've never read a Qu'ran passage saying Atheists should be killed, only apostates. However the Hadith is quite different, but it's kinda off topic.

And another thing, we have difficulty predicting what our technology can accomplish 20 years from now, let alone 5 billion. (Nobody imagined the internet in 1900 that I've ever heard of) So there's a fantastic chance we could survive the explosion of the sun, if we managed to live that long. Hell, me might be able to reboot the damn thing by then. Which I'm sure some magic book will predict in a highly abstact easily misinterpreted way, much like a horoscope.

Your lucky numbers are 12, 42, and 56. Tonight say: Yes.

 

[lillitruthseeker]

To the Atheists:

A very basic question what does a book have to
contain to prove it was sent by God?

His personal cell phone number and a plane ticket to see him in person so he can prove who he is and of course a tour and some champagne would be nice - but i guess that it would make a hollowed out book quite heavy wouldnt it?

 

[~Amin~]

A rare occasion I agree, I've never read a Qu'ran passage saying Atheists should be killed, only apostates. However the Hadith is quite different, but it's kinda off topic.

Can you tell me were in the Qur'an?

Your lucky numbers are 12, 42, and 56. Tonight say: Yes.

I respect you beliefs, but i dont believe in luck everything is by the permission
and will of God.

 

[~Amin~]

I should ignore all the various factions warring and disagreeing with one another? If it were clear, why would there be the need for scholars to interpret the text?

The prophet said " I leave you with 2 things whoever holds
on to them firmly will never stray the Book of God and my way"
one should therefore follow these sources. And believe me there will
be no factions.

 

[Aasimar]

Can you tell me were in the Qur'an?


I respect you beliefs, but i dont believe in luck everything is by the permission
and will of God.

[4.88] What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

 

[McBell]

To the Atheists:

A very basic question what does a book have to
contain to prove it was sent by God?

For starters, one possible interpretation.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I don't think there's anything you could read in a book that would convince me there's a god.

Is there anything in a book that would lead you to believe there are atoms?

 

[YmirGF]

Is there anything in a book that would lead you to believe there are atoms?

Of course, and the point you are making is?

 

[~Amin~]

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

You for got the following verse in which is the answer.
[4.90] Except those who join a group, between you
and whom there is a treaty, or those who approach you
with there breasts(hearts) restraing from fighting you
as well as fighting there OWN PEOPLE.
So if they WITHDRAW FROM YOU, AND FIGHT NOT
AGAINST YOU , AND OFFER YOU PEACE, THEN GOD
HAS NOT OPENED NO WAY FOR YOU AGAINST THEM.
So most of the time the confusion arises because the
verses are not looked at in the context.

 

[~Amin~]

For starters, one possible interpretation.

Can you show me ONE place in the teachings of islam,
its fundamental beliefs that there is a difference in
interpretation, in other small issues which dont effect the faith,
whats wrong with different opinions, are not humans allowed
to have diverse thoughts?

 

[Aasimar]

You for got the following verse in which is the answer.
[4.90] Except those who join a group, between you
and whom there is a treaty, or those who approach you
with there breasts(hearts) restraing from fighting you
as well as fighting there OWN PEOPLE.
So if they WITHDRAW FROM YOU, AND FIGHT NOT
AGAINST YOU , AND OFFER YOU PEACE, THEN GOD
HAS NOT OPENED NO WAY FOR YOU AGAINST THEM.
So most of the time the confusion arises because the
verses are not looked at in the context.

So by fight not against you, what does it mean, like make cartoons or videos that Islam doesn't like? Such as Theo Van Gogh? Is denouncing the message of Islam considered to be fighting against it?

 

[~Amin~]

So by fight not against you, what does it mean

This verse is not speaking of apostasy read all three verses together.

like make cartoons or videos that Islam doesn't like? Such as Theo Van Gogh? Is denouncing the message of Islam considered to be fighting against it?

I think these views are extreme, and i also think its incorrect
to judge all muslims due to the eview of a few.