every evil besides some diseases, are a result of our obedience to him
Already you are admitting that evils and suffering are not entirely explained by devillish action. I'll bet if we explored this topic in depth, there would be examples of all types of evils that are not the result of the devil or human evil. Hurricanes? Tsunamis? They kill thousands based on geographic location, not their personal beliefs or actions.
I can explain every NY Yankees victory. Every time the Dow Jones Industrial Average rises the day before a game, the Yankees will win... besides the ones they don't... The "besides" means I should reevaluate my hypothesis.
Are you saaying that just cause it makes sense it doesnt make it correct?
I would prefer to use the term "consistant", but yes, that is my point.
Wat if there was e reason for the punishment?
Biologically, then the system lacks unfairness (or evil) and is just. But, if you are trying to extend this to the real world, I would again remind you that we have already agreed that some diseases cannot be explained as influence from the devil or punishment from god.
In other words when a women gets raped or any other evil, it not realy bad but we just think it is or imagining it?
Unfortunately, for most of recorded history, rape was considered to be just fine (as long as the husband was the one doing the raping). It is our reaction to something that determines if it is evil or just. Historically, the mainstream view of evil is the one that matters at the time. Fortunately, we seem to be raising our standards of what is good since the Enlightenment and I hope we will continue to do so.
You are prcieving of God in a way He ISNT, and as a result you get into problem, you should do the TOTAL opposite and understand Him the way He
reveals Himself then these questions will be answered themselves.
So... I shouldn't have expectations of god's behavior based on my own ideals? Rather, I should look at his actions and simply trust that he truly is loving and truly is good, even if the evidence is contradictory? Rationalize based on previously accepted beliefs? No, thank you. I am perfectly happy expecting god to live up to the standards that my feeble human conscience sets. As his creation, how could really I be dissappointed in his actions? Well, if he does exist, then I am. If he does not exist, then I don't hold him responsible.
How can he be ALL-LOVING to only a select few?
Your very next sentence, bub.
You agreed that evil people are just as healthy as good. 25% of people who die in the USA die from cancer. Those who are evil and have cancer are being punished, but the good people who have cancer are just unlucky? When you have no evidence that disease is actually punishment (especially in light of their equal occurrance in good and evil people), how can you really believe that disease is punishment? My mind is truly boggled here.
Not realy God can take them to account in other ways diseases is just one.
You're right. European Caucasians seem to be having a really rough time lately. :sarcastic
The devil cant do ANYTHING to those who rely on GOD.
So believers in god are completely protected from influence by the devil? Do you really believe that islamic terrorists somehow don't believe in god? Or christian fundementalist terrorists? They BELIEVE, no matter how hard you will try to deny that their belief is real, but they do evil things, and we've established that evil actions are done because of influence by the devil.
This is why I prefer to say your beliefs are "consistent enough for you" because this is enough right here to think that your philosophy of evil is flawed. Not just from an outside viewpoint, but internally inconsistent, as well. Fortunately for you, your beliefs assure you that they are completely consistent, so you won't have to deal with the cognitive dissonance.
Yet, he doesn't. Any responsible deity would take reasonable precautions to protect his creations from suffering, if he really wanted to. A single religious faith (one of thousands) is not really protection. Especially if it still does not protect those who follow it (islamic terrorists).
Sorry i dont think this is a relative parable how do we have Chains?
Maybe an analogy was a bad idea, but I will try to briefly explain it. A common way to describe christian understanding of the devil is this: Even though the devil cannot attack god outright, he will attack gods creations. Similar to a neighbor who kicks your dog when you're not around. This was an extension of that idea. A dog, chained in a yard, represents humans. The devil can taunt us and influence us so that we commit suicide or do harm to others. That influence is still the cause of the evil, and god still allows the devil to have that power.
I would banish a being to a realm where such influence could not be made and allow my creations to exercise true free will. As it is, god allows the devil to act as a boogie man. I would even argue that the two behave similarly to equals, even partners. (But that's my view of theological thought, and not really here nor there.)
something earlier or latter in there life Coz God knows the future.
An infant who dies in a tsunami seems to defy this logic. Moreover, if you can be punished before your actions, where do you account for free will? And what is the need for punishment, in this case? Once again, if I were god, I would not punish in advance. I would attempt to reform, cure, prevent. What purpose is this punishment? I would argue, only sadism explains it. (We could have entire discussions about the Adam and Eve myth and how there was no true choice, and god's reaction was purely sadistic, but that's neither here nor there, either.)
If you knew what God knew you wouldnt.
You hope. You believe. You trust. Because the alternative is that either god is not what you think he is, or he doesn't exist at all. Since neither of those are acceptable to you, you blindly hope that there is an explanation for it all. (From my perspective.)
Quick Note: I don't like to use islamic terrorists as examples when talking about religion, but I felt it was relevant here. I do not believe they are representative of the muslim faith, but they are an example of it. By and large, islam is no worse than any other faith in terms of morality or violence.