Atheists: What if?

[Thief]

Thief you keep acting like your posts constitute evidence, when they don't even form sentences let alone arguments
You're posts do more harm then good

How many years.....five and 1/2....

I post over and over again....
No photo, no fingerprint, no equation and no repeatable experiment.

No proof....no evidence.

Unless of course you consider cause and effect a useful notion.
THEN the universe (one word) is the effect and God is the Cause.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Cause and effect is all that I lean to.

If you want to call your God Zeus......I don't mind.

I call my God .....Almighty.....Creator of heaven and earth.

So you just trace back, in your mind, to the beginning of everything and attribute whatever caused the Cause as god? Is that right?

 

[savagewind]

Well, which words are we talking about then? Just true words in general, like universal truths, or what? Give me some reference point.

Start at the sermon on the mount Matthew 5:3-11. When I measure those words against my observation of life and people I see they describe reality. I am for reality. I recognise someone knows what is actually inside people. Have you found any words which describe so simply what people are without including an extreme amount of added extra words?

God is not partial. The most beautiful truth in reality.
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

I can imagine a world of no respecter of persons, everyone working righteousness.

What causes war? A leader. A leader to be a leader needs respect. God is love. Can everyone respect that? It seems very few do.

 

[Iti oj]

Start at the sermon on the mount Matthew 5:3-11. When I measure those words against my observation of life and people I see they describe reality. I am for reality. I recognise someone knows what is actually inside people. Have you found any words which describe so simply what people are without including an extreme amount of added extra words?

God is not partial. The most beautiful truth in reality.
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

I can imagine a world of no respecter of persons, everyone working righteousness.

What causes war? A leader. A leader to be a leader needs respect. God is love. Can everyone respect that? It seems very few do.

No
. start why that had any value, truth or deserves consideration

 

[Thief]

So you just trace back, in your mind, to the beginning of everything and attribute whatever caused the Cause as god? Is that right?

With that notion of cause and effect in mind.

(Spirit first)

 

[jonathan180iq]

With that notion of cause and effect in mind.

(Spirit first)

Ok. And what about the other attributes that you must associate with your diety? Where do they come from?

 

[Iti oj]

With that notion of cause and effect in mind.

(Spirit first)

What spirit.

 

[savagewind]

No
. start why that had any value, truth or deserves consideration

It is natural for a person to feel superior to another person. It is also true some people feel inferior for no good reason. It is also true many people glom on to bad people because they are convinced the bad people are superior in some way for either their profit or for their safety. Jesus says not true! If everyone would listen to Jesus as leader there would be peace, everyone for each other....equal.

It is not socialism because it does not have anything to do with possessions. It has to do with a person's self worth. What good is it? Really?

 

[savagewind]

If God is Lord universally and God is Love, which is a caring for all other things at least as much as you care for yourself, then anyone stepping up to tell you what to do would be suspect. Name one atrocity perpetrated agianst humankind that was accomplished by only one bad guy. all alone. You might say a serial killer. If humankind could learn how to see the inside of people like Jesus is said to have been able to do, then how far do you think wicked people can go? A wicked leader can't do much harm all by his lonely self. Can he?

How can anyone with a wicked plan attract anyone else to it if everyone else is already attached to Love?

 

[Thief]

A wicked leader can't do much harm all by his lonely self. Can he?

How can anyone with a wicked plan attract anyone else to it if everyone else is already attached to Love?

It depends on what you love.

It took only one 'serpent' in the garden.
It took only one maniacal man to lead Germany to war.

Working alone is something I prefer.
Your only assurance I am not wicked....is the post work I do.

I have no following....no one follows me.
I work alone.

 

[savagewind]

It took only one 'serpent' in the garden.
It took only one maniacal man to lead Germany to war.

Working alone is something I prefer.
Your only assurance I am not wicked....is the post work I do.

I have no following....no one follows me.
I work alone.

Not so. Hitler did not break into houses to drag people away to their terrible deaths. People who worked for him did.

It depends on what you love.

Not what. WHO.
Love is patient and kind, it does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud, it does not dishonor others, it does not look for it's own interest, it does not provoke, it does not keep account of wrongs against it....

Whenever anyone decides to go with a greater one who is bad the reason is always (I think) for going with one's own personal interest, which love isn't.

Going with God means NOT going with personal interest because God has no personal interest. God is for life not for SELF.

 

[Thief]

Not so. Hitler did not break into houses to drag people away to their terrible deaths. People who worked for him did.

Not what. WHO.
Love is patient and kind, it does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud, it does not dishonor others, it does not look for it's own interest, it does not provoke, it does not keep account of wrongs against it....

Whenever anyone decides to go with a greater one who is bad the reason is always (I think) for going with one's own personal interest, which love isn't.

Going with God means NOT going with personal interest because God has no personal interest. God is for life not for SELF.

Nay to you.....
The wicked love their own.

Now if you want to...we could say each man is responsible for his works....
even if someone else points a rifle to your head and insists on conformity....

but if the devil made me do it.....will God still be upset with me?
(trick question)

 

[savagewind]

Nay to you.....
The wicked love their own.

Now if you want to...we could say each man is responsible for his works....
even if someone else points a rifle to your head and insists on conformity....

but if the devil made me do it.....will God still be upset with me?
(trick question)

My God has no emotion called "upset".
God will make it known the bad I did and that I let the devil make me do it. Then I would be upset with myself. But you know that.

 

[Thief]

My God has no emotion called "upset".
God will make it known the bad I did and that I let the devil make me do it. Then I would be upset with myself. But you know that.

But you left out the actual consequence.

What if......

 

[savagewind]

Here we go again! Oh fun!

Me: How can anyone with a wicked plan attract anyone else to it if everyone else is already attached to Love?

You: It depends on what you love.

It depends on what you love means love is turned on and off. Real love can't be turned on and off. I love my child AND I love that mangy old dog.

I have a secret. Want to hear it?

When a person attaches his or her self to a bad leader for whatever reason it is real hate for that person. Really? According to my fact every human belongs to God it is hate. So Jesus says it is better to be thrown into the deep sea with a mill stone around your neck than it is to stumble one of these little ones. Little meaning spiritually immature. To allow a bad person to lead is to allow stumbling from that person. Who knows what would have happened to Absalom if no one had gathered to him? Apply what if to anyone who leads another person astray. Most bad people perpetrate their crimes because they have help. Where does their help come from?

 

[Thief]

Here we go again! Oh fun!

Me: How can anyone with a wicked plan attract anyone else to it if everyone else is already attached to Love?

You: It depends on what you love.

It depends on what you love means love is turned on and off. Real love can't be turned on and off. I love my child AND I love that mangy old dog.

I have a secret. Want to hear it?

When a person attaches his or her self to a bad leader for whatever reason it is real hate for that person. Really? According to my fact every human belongs to God. So Jesus says it is better to be thrown into the deep sea with a mill stone around your neck than it is to stunble one of these little ones. Little meaning spiritually immature. To allow a bad person to lead is to allow stumbling from that person. Who knows what would have happened to Absalom if no one had gathered to him? Apply what if to anyone who leads another person astray. Most bad people perpetrate their crimes because they have help. Where does their help come from?

I drew the line in a different direction.
Love is a discipline.

Leaders speak as they do, as they believe.

There are four basic motivations to influence your fellowman.
Religion, politics, military, and economy.

Speak from a pulpit and convince your fellow man....God wants you to.
Speak from a podium.....I have a dream...I have a plan.
Get a uniform and a militia....shoot any resistance.

Last but not least....there's money in it for me....a paycheck for you....
the timeclock is over there.

I place my thought before my feeling.
A heart unbridled is fickle.

 

[savagewind]

There are four basic motivations to influence your fellowman.
Religion, politics, military, and economy.

That is correct. Jesus says please replace all those with LOVE. They might still exist of course. But love's power keeps them in check. Without Love (God's love for goodness sakes!) the world WILL stumble. It does stumble. Without love it will stumble and it will not be able to get up. That is where religion, politics, military, and economy is leading. A stumbling with no getting up.

 

[Thief]

That is correct. Jesus says please replace all those with LOVE. They might still exist of course. But love's power keeps them in check. Without Love (God's love for goodness sakes!) the world WILL stumble. It does stumble. Without love it will stumble and it will not be able to get up. That is where religion, politics, military, and economy is leading. A stumbling with no getting up.

I still lean to the discipline.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

 

[savagewind]

It is a thread to the atheists. Atheism prevents love from extending beyond the atheist person's interests.

God breaks the wall dividing "US" from "Them". Us is always more important with people. Us is last in importance with God, if at all.

 

[savagewind]

I still lean to the discipline.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

OK. That is a very fine facet of Love.