Atheists: What if?

[LuisDantas]

To meet potential requires some kind of work. Work requires power. I should not assign every person power to reach their potential because not all potential is good. Some is extremely bad.

I just don't believe that to be very close to the truth. Ultimately, "evil" is simply a manifestation and result of lack of knowledge and skill. Given appropriate environment and encouragement, everyone is indeed a good person.

And I just don't believe there are people who are actually unconnected to the feelings and cognitive capabilities that make up the matter of the sacred.

TL;DR - it looks like you are a dualist and I probably am not.

 

[LuisDantas]

Like Hitler?

Hitler was a fool, a very dangerous one and misguided one, no doubt.

But all the same, his pain and sorrow, his hopes and dreams were simply not particularly different from anyone else's. So yes, like Hitler as well.

 

[savagewind]

Like Hitler?

The 25 Worst People Ever

 

[savagewind]

Hitler was a fool, a very dangerous one and misguided one, no doubt.

But all the same, his pain and sorrow, his hopes and dreams were simply not particularly different from anyone else's. So yes, like Hitler as well.

His hopes and dreams weren't different from anyone's else's???? Uh, Huh? He "hoped" to eradicate everyone but the German kind. If no one had stopped him there would be no Religious Forums, you or me.

 

[Thief]

Hitler was a fool, a very dangerous one and misguided one, no doubt.

But all the same, his pain and sorrow, his hopes and dreams were simply not particularly different from anyone else's. So yes, like Hitler as well.

THAT would be a VERY generous hold on the word 'sacred'.

kinda makes it null effect.

 

[savagewind]

THAT would be a VERY generous hold on the word 'sacred'.

kinda makes it null effect.

I agree. Sounds more like "sacred" means human. I agree respect should be extended to all humans but if they act against life any respect for them should be minimal. Sacred means high regard. Doesn't it?

 

[LuisDantas]

His hopes and dreams weren't different from anyone's else's???? Uh, Huh? He "hoped" to eradicate everyone but the German kind. If no one had stopped him there would be no Religious Forums, you or me.

What do you see that makes him so very different? Hopefully we are different from him, but then I wonder why so many people conspire to assure me that there are such things as the invasion of Iraq back in 2003 and the conflicts between India and Pakistan, or the Gaza situation.

All the meaningful differences are circunstantial, far as I can see.

 

[LuisDantas]

THAT would be a VERY generous hold on the word 'sacred'.

kinda makes it null effect.

That... I just will not agree with. At all. Not negotiable.

 

[LuisDantas]

I agree. Sounds more like "sacred" means human.

No, it is actually far more abrangent than that. It definitely includes animals and perhaps most of all the plight of those who I occasionally hear described as "craving spirits".

Anyone with any sensibility at all.

I agree respect should be extended to all humans but if they act against life any respect for them should be minimal. Sacred means high regard. Doesn't it?

Yes, my point precisely. High regard is very inclusive indeed.

 

[Thief]

That... I just will not agree with. At all. Not negotiable.

So you would put Hitler and Judas and Jesus side by side at the table sharing bread?

Looking each other in the eye........................................with high regard.

(I posted this notion a long time ago)

 

[LuisDantas]

So you would put Hitler and Judas and Jesus side by side at the table sharing bread?

You mean you wouldn't?

That is an odd thing for a Christian to say.



To give you a direct answer: yes, I definitely would, had I the opportunity. Repeatedly, if at all possible. I have developed a lot of enthusiasm for the religious merit of the Sikh practice of langar, as some unfortunate souls have heard me say far too often for confort.

 

[savagewind]

What do you see that makes him so very different? Hopefully we are different from him, but then I wonder why so many people conspire to assure me that there are such things as the invasion of Iraq back in 2003 and the conflicts between India and Pakistan, or the Gaza situation.

All the meaningful differences are circunstantial, far as I can see.

I understand what you are saying. Those attacks were nation against nation. Nazi Germany was nation against people. Nazi Germany was not the only instance but I think it is one of the worst. It is unforgivable and certainly not a sacred thing to kill one's own people with unspeakable torture.

How are you able to call someone sacred who takes away another person's sacredness? Millions of them. Is a fetus sacred according to you?

 

[Thief]

You mean you wouldn't?

That is an odd thing for a Christian to say.

Not at all.
You actually think otherwise??????????????

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Code of behavior and consequence.

 

[savagewind]

No, it is actually far more abrangent than that. It definitely includes animals and perhaps most of all the plight of those who I occasionally hear described as "craving spirits".

Anyone with any sensibility at all.



Yes, my point precisely. High regard is very inclusive indeed.

OK I agree animals are due respect too. I don't understand what you are saying. What does it mean?

I believe the worse human being (if according to you there is better or worse) deserves to be treated civilly and respectfully. Regard is not respect. Regard is related to honor.

 

[Thief]

OK I agree animals are due respect too. I don't understand what you are saying. What does it mean?

I believe the worse human being (if according to you there is better or worse) deserves to be treated civilly and respectfully. Regard is not respect. Regard is related to honor.

I would not concede to this.
The angelic think of us as animal.....talking monkeys.....

Walk among the angelic as they hold regard?....unto us?
I think not.

 

[savagewind]

I would not concede to this.
The angelic think of us as animal.....talking monkeys.....

Walk among the angelic as they hold regard?....unto us?
I think not.

Sometimes I know what you're talking about but this time I haven't got a clue.

What are you disagreeing with? That any animal should be respected?

 

[Thief]

Sometimes I know what you're talking about but this time I haven't got a clue.

What are you disagreeing with? That any animal should be respected?

The term at hand is high regard....sacred.

Something Greater than yourself.

 

[LuisDantas]

I understand what you are saying. Those attacks were nation against nation.

In as much as that can even exist, "nations" being so lacking in substance.

Nazi Germany was nation against people. Nazi Germany was not the only instance but I think it is one of the worst. It is unforgivable and certainly not a sacred thing to kill one's own people with unspeakable torture.

Of course it was terribly wrong and destructive, but what exactly do you mean by unforgivable?

How are you able to call someone sacred who takes away another person's sacredness? Millions of them. Is a fetus sacred according to you?

Most people are sacred fools, quite often commiting terrible mistakes against themselves.

A fetus is actually considerably less sacred than its effect on the people around him. He just barely perceives the world and lack the capability to make value judgements or conscious choices.

 

[LuisDantas]

Not at all.
You actually think otherwise??????????????

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Code of behavior and consequence.

Christianity, according to the Gospel of Luke as I understand it, is supposed to rise above petty vindictiveness.

 

[LuisDantas]

OK I agree animals are due respect too. I don't understand what you are saying. What does it mean?

I believe the worse human being (if according to you there is better or worse) deserves to be treated civilly and respectfully. Regard is not respect. Regard is related to honor.

If regard does not include respect, is it worth anything?