Avi's Spiritual and Religious Journey - Part 2

[Avi1001]

We're almost practicing the same religion.

, right. I think we should do a Comedy Central hour together with Brickj and Paar...."A Priest, Imam, and Rabbi enter a bar together.........."......any ideas?

 

[Avi1001]

A Priest and a Rabbi walked into a bar and sat down. After a while, the priest opened a conversation by saying "I know that in your religion you're not supposed to eat pork...Have you actually ever tasted it? "
The Rabbi said, "I must tell the truth. Yes I have on the odd occasion."
Then the Rabbi had his turn of interrogation. He asked,
"Your religion, too...I know you're supposed to be celibate. But...."
The priest replied,
"Yes, I know what you're going to ask. I have succumbed once or twice."
There was silence for a while. Then the Rabbi said,
"Better than pork, isn't it?"

 

[Flankerl]

You are not a fundy because you quote Torah, you are a fundy because you speak of G-d in anthropomorphic terms, and because you read the Torah in a literal sense.

So when it says "And an uncircumcised male, who will not circumcise the flesh of his foreskin-that soul will be cut off from its people; he has broken My covenant." it doesnt mean what it says instead it means... hey do whatever you want lol.

You know there are parts of the torah which are meant to be literal. This is a commandment, in fact its the very first commandment Hashem has ever given to us. And he didnt mean it that way?


Of course. Sounds about right. Hashem probably also didnt mean it like that when he talked about human sacrifices in a bad way.
I think we should sacrifice some people.

 

[metis]

A rabbi and a priest found themselves siting next to each other on a flight, and at one point the rabbi turned to the priest and said "Have you ever thought about maybe becoming a bishop some day?".

The priest answered "Ya, I thought about it".

"Have you ever thought about becoming Pope some day?"

"I have to admit that I've even thought about that?"

"Have you thought about even going even higher?"

The confused priest said "Higher then that, how could that be? Do you really think that I could become God?!"

"Hey, some say one of our boys did."

 

[Sleeppy]

So when it says "And an uncircumcised male, who will not circumcise the flesh of his foreskin-that soul will be cut off from its people; he has broken My covenant." it doesnt mean what it says instead it means... hey do whatever you want lol.

You know there are parts of the torah which are meant to be literal. This is a commandment, in fact its the very first commandment Hashem has ever given to us. And he didnt mean it that way?


Of course. Sounds about right. Hashem probably also didnt mean it like that when he talked about human sacrifices in a bad way.
I think we should sacrifice some people.

Application of law does change. Circumcision served as a sign; a father's signature in his son's foreskin. This is a form of human sacrifice, even self-sacrifice; albeit more pleasant than becoming a burnt offering- or believing you will be.

The head of every house must sacrifice of himself, for the sake of his own flesh. And the head sacrifices with his sons, being their honor. What is Elijah coming to do?

 

[metis]

Moses praying: "OK, Lord, did I just hear you correctly??? The Arabs get all the oil and us Jews have to cut off the ends of our what??!!".


OK, I'll leave.

 

[Avi1001]

, Metis, you have the gift of gab !

A rabbi and a priest found themselves siting next to each other on a flight, and at one point the rabbi turned to the priest and said "Have you ever thought about maybe becoming a bishop some day?".

The priest answered "Ya, I thought about it".

"Have you ever thought about becoming Pope some day?"

"I have to admit that I've even thought about that?"

"Have you thought about even going even higher?"

The confused priest said "Higher then that, how could that be? Do you really think that I could become God?!"

"Hey, some say one of our boys did."

 

[Avi1001]

You can be the Master of Ceremonies of our next Comedy Central Open Mic Nite.

Moses praying: "OK, Lord, did I just hear you correctly??? The Arabs get all the oil and us Jews have to cut off the ends of our what??!!".


OK, I'll leave.

 

[metis]

, Metis, you have the gift of gab !

Is "gab" synonymous with "b.s."?

 

[Avi1001]

Following Torah means do the right thing when it comes to ethical behavior.

Is cutting off the foreskin an act of ethics? If not, it is not required.

Which parts of Torah are meant to be literal? Who decides: you, Tumah, Levite, Rabbio, Metis, punkdbass, me ?

Do you believe human sacrifices are ethical? Are you fearful that you lack the common sense to decide, so you leave it to a book written by Ezra around 500 B.C.E. ?

So when it says "And an uncircumcised male, who will not circumcise the flesh of his foreskin-that soul will be cut off from its people; he has broken My covenant." it doesnt mean what it says instead it means... hey do whatever you want lol.

You know there are parts of the torah which are meant to be literal. This is a commandment, in fact its the very first commandment Hashem has ever given to us. And he didnt mean it that way?

Of course. Sounds about right. Hashem probably also didnt mean it like that when he talked about human sacrifices in a bad way.
I think we should sacrifice some people.

 

[metis]

Which parts of Torah are meant to be literal? Who decides: you, Tumah, Levite, Rabbio, Metis, punkdbass, me ?

Trying to drag me into this fray-- you're a mean man.

OK, I'll bite.

My approach to any and all scriptures is to treat them as allegory, learn what the basic moral teachings are, consider what might be useful and appropriate, and use those which I feel are.

:run:

 

[Avi1001]

....My approach to any and all scriptures is to treat them as allegory, learn what the basic moral teachings are, consider what might be useful and appropriate, and use those which I feel are.

:run:

You mean you actually use your own judgement?

You don't just blindly follow what was written in a book 2,500 years ago?

You must be a reform Jew (small r)!

 

[paarsurrey]

..................central issues in Judaism............

The core teachings of Judaism are belief in One-True-God and believing the true prophets:

5. You shall follow the Lord, your God, fear Him, keep His commandments, heed His voice, worship Him, and cleave to Him.
6. And that prophet, or that dreamer of a dream shall be put to death; because he spoke falsehood about the Lord, your God Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and Who redeemed you from the house of bondage, to lead you astray from the way in which the Lord, your God, commanded you to go; so shall you clear away the evil from your midst.

Deuteronomy - Chapter 13 (Parshah Re'eh) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

 

[Avi1001]

(Utoh, we might have a cut and paste guy here).

Paar, do you synthesize your own thoughts and ideas, or just blindly follow scripture?

What does the one true G-d mean ?

And who were the true prophets (dare I ask ).

The core teachings of Judaism are belief in One-True-God and believing the true prophets:

5. You shall follow the Lord, your God, fear Him, keep His commandments, heed His voice, worship Him, and cleave to Him.
6. And that prophet, or that dreamer of a dream shall be put to death; because he spoke falsehood about the Lord, your God Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and Who redeemed you from the house of bondage, to lead you astray from the way in which the Lord, your God, commanded you to go; so shall you clear away the evil from your midst.

Deuteronomy - Chapter 13 (Parshah Re'eh) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

 

[RabbiO]

Paar, do you synthesize your own thoughts and ideas, or just blindly follow scripture?

What does the one true G-d mean ?

And who were the true prophets (dare I ask ).

Avi - If you tiptoe through the forum you will see that Paar is an Amadi Muslim. If you want to know more about Ahmadiyya Islam, you can use this link:
What is the difference between an Ahmadi Muslim and other Muslims? @ aaiil.org

 

[paarsurrey]

What does the one true G-d mean ?

In brief:

The One-True-God is One (explicitly rejecting polytheism, dualism, and trinitarianism, which are "incompatible with monotheism, emphatically rejecting any concept of plurality with respect to God), He is the Creator of the universe (Creator of heaven and earth and all between them), He is all-powerful, He is eternal, He is the Beginning and End), He is omnipotent, omniscient, and Omni-benevolent, living and loving. He is not only cosmic but also personal , He is the God, Who hears and answers, He is neither corporeal nor anthropomorphic, He can be experienced, God is utterly unlike humankind, He is only worthy of worship and hence one must pray directly to God, there are no intermediaries between Him and us the human being , one must not pray to anyone or anything else. He has beautiful names; He has all the beautiful attributes with no blemish...........
Etc., etc.,etc.,...

Regards

 

[metis]

You mean you actually use your own judgement?

You don't just blindly follow what was written in a book 2,500 years ago?

You must be a reform Jew (small r)!

How about a "Confused Jew" (big C)?

 

[Desert Snake]

In brief:

The One-True-God is One (explicitly rejecting polytheism, dualism, and trinitarianism, which are "incompatible with monotheism, emphatically rejecting any concept of plurality with respect to God), He is the Creator of the universe (Creator of heaven and earth and all between them), He is all-powerful, He is eternal, He is the Beginning and End), He is omnipotent, omniscient, and Omni-benevolent, living and loving. He is not only cosmic but also personal , He is the God, Who hears and answers, He is neither corporeal nor anthropomorphic, He can be experienced, God is utterly unlike humankind, He is only worthy of worship and hence one must pray directly to God, there are no intermediaries between Him and us the human being , one must not pray to anyone or anything else. He has beautiful names; He has all the beautiful attributes with no blemish...........
Etc., etc.,etc.,...

Regards

Adam was created in G-ds image.

 

[paarsurrey]

And who were the true prophets (dare I ask ).

In brief:

All righteous persons among the human beings chosen by the One-True-God, purely on His own discretion, with a Message from Him to be delivered to the human kind, from anywhere in the world whether their names have been mentioned in the Revealed books or not are the Truthful Prophets.
The words of the prophets are true.

All prophets are innocent; they being humans could make mistakes; but make no sins; if they err, they ask forgiveness from the One-True-God; and are forgiven by Him strictly on His discretion.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Paar, do you synthesize your own thoughts and ideas, or just blindly follow scripture?

The Truthful Religion does not command one to follow the truthful Word of Revelation blindly.

Regards