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Avi's Spiritual and Religious Journey - Part 2

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Also, why do you believe these fine folks corrupted the Torah ?

Why do you believe the scholars corrupted the Talmud?

The answer is in:

Deuteronomy - Chapter 31:9, 24, 26-29

9. Then Moses wrote this Torah, and gave it to the priests, the descendants of Levi, who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and to all the elders of Israel.
24. And it was, when Moses finished writing the words of this Torah in a scroll, until their very completion,
26. "Take this Torah scroll and place it along side the ark of covenant of the Lord, your God, and it will be there as a witness.
27. For I know your rebellious spirit and your stubbornness. Even while I am alive with you today you are rebelling against the Lord, and surely after my death!
28. Assemble to me all the elders of your tribes and your officers, and I will speak these words into their ears, and I will call upon the heaven and the earth as witnesses against them.
29. For I know that after my death, you will surely become corrupted, and deviate from the way which I had commanded you. Consequently, the evil will befall you at the end of days, because you did evil in the eyes of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.

Deuteronomy - Chapter 31 (Parshah Vayelech) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible


Regards
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Sorry, Paar, but that response does not cut the mustard. Please do not just cut and paste scripture. You are proving Rsbbio's contention that you are a fundamentalist extremist.

Is that the best you can do? Or do you have a mind of your own?

Btw, what are your thoughts on memzers ? :D



The answer is in:

Deuteronomy - Chapter 31:9, 24, 26-29

9. Then Moses wrote this Torah, and gave it to the priests, the descendants of Levi, who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and to all the elders of Israel.
24. And it was, when Moses finished writing the words of this Torah in a scroll, until their very completion,
26. "Take this Torah scroll and place it along side the ark of covenant of the Lord, your God, and it will be there as a witness.
27. For I know your rebellious spirit and your stubbornness. Even while I am alive with you today you are rebelling against the Lord, and surely after my death!
28. Assemble to me all the elders of your tribes and your officers, and I will speak these words into their ears, and I will call upon the heaven and the earth as witnesses against them.
29. For I know that after my death, you will surely become corrupted, and deviate from the way which I had commanded you. Consequently, the evil will befall you at the end of days, because you did evil in the eyes of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.

Deuteronomy - Chapter 31 (Parshah Vayelech) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible


Regards
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Sorry, Paar, but that response does not cut the mustard. Please do not just cut and paste scripture. You are proving Rsbbio's contention that you are a fundamentalist extremist.

Is that the best you can do? Or do you have a mind of your own?

Btw, what are your thoughts on memzers ? :D


Please ask from “Rsbbio's”; which one of the following is correct? :

Deuteronomy - Chapter 31: 9. Then Moses wrote this Torah, and gave it to the priests.

Avi1001: As the Torah was written during the time of Ezra, approx. 460 B.C.E.

Avi1001sated: Richard Elliot Friedman.: He gives an excellent description of how the Torah evolved. There were a number of authors.

CMike wrote post #1094: The laws in the Torah were dictated from G-D so there were no mistakes, it's perfect.

Moses was human. He made mistakes.

The prophets were human as well.

That said, once again, the laws were dictated from G-D, so they are perfect.


Regards
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Please ask from “Rabbio's”; which one of the following is correct? :

Regards

By rule #1, we cannot name the unnamed poster. But we can say that s/he know that Moses wrote the Ten Commandments and the alphabet soup (the best known was Ezra) wrote Torah.

How could G-d write anything? S/he has no pen !
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
I would like to welcome all my OJ (Orthodox) friends back after the Shabbat holiday.:)

Some say that Modern Orthodox (MO) is Orthodox Judaism with computers. :) Do you believe this is the case? If so, please explain why.

Also, do you prefer Avi Weiss' approach, know as "Open Orthodoxy"? Again explain your reasons.

And wrt Haredi posters, I think they have a short half-life here on this forum. When their Rabbi finds out they are here, talking to us, they are in trouble. :D
 
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RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
You are proving Rsbbio's contention that you are a fundamentalist extremist.

1) I never said that Paar was a fundamentalist extremist.

2) They say that there is no such thing as bad publicity.... as long as your name is spelled right. Not only did you spell it incorrectly, now Paar is perpetuating it.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
1) I never said that Paar was a fundamentalist extremist.

2) They say that there is no such thing as bad publicity.... as long as your name is spelled right. Not only did you spell it incorrectly, now Paar is perpetuating it.

Those that say there is no such thing as bad publicity- are liars. I'd rather have my name spelled wrong, a blurred picture, and a distorted voice if publicity became misrepresentational, or even harmful.


Is it really against the rules to mention RabbiO by name?
 

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
Is it really against the rules to mention RabbiO by name?

I think Avi is refererncing Rule 1, although perhaps he is interpreting it overly broad -

1. Personal comments about Members and Staff
Personal attacks, and/or name-calling are strictly prohibited on the forums. Speaking or referring to a member in the third person, ie "calling them out" will also be considered a personal attack.
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
1) :eek: what else do you call someone who takes every word of the Bible literally ?

2) RsbbiO is a fine name. Would you consider switching over to it ? :D



1) I never said that Paar was a fundamentalist extremist.

2) They say that there is no such thing as bad publicity.... as long as your name is spelled right. Not only did you spell it incorrectly, now Paar is perpetuating it.
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Those that say there is no such thing as bad publicity- are liars. I'd rather have my name spelled wrong, a blurred picture, and a distorted voice if publicity became misrepresentational, or even harmful.

Is it really against the rules to mention RabbiO by name?

Thanks, Sleeppy, you are groovy !!
 
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Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Yes, RsbbiO is correctomundo. We are not permitted to mention the unnamed poster (RsbbiO :D) by name. :D

I think Avi is refererncing Rule 1, although perhaps he is interpreting it overly broad -

1. Personal comments about Members and Staff
Personal attacks, and/or name-calling are strictly prohibited on the forums. Speaking or referring to a member in the third person, ie "calling them out" will also be considered a personal attack.
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
I would like to speculate on today's topic, but first start out by asserting that 75% of Jews are reform (small r) or Conservative. Why these huge numbers? The answer is clear. OJ (Orthodox) is dogmatic and therefore unpopular.

Also, how can any document be "straight from G-d" ? We know it comes from the " alphabet soup".

Lets debate.:D
 
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Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Definition of Divine: of or pertaining to a g-d, especially the Supreme Being.

Ref: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Divine?s=t

The answer to this is a simple and re-sounding: no! nein! A bi gezunt !

As I have explained to another poster, Paar, in some great detail, the authors of the Torah were none other than "alphabet soup".

Having said that, it can be said, as a reform Jew (small r), that Torah is "G-d inspired".

What, you might ask, does that mean? Want to debate ? :D
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Having said that, it can be said, as a reform Jew (small r), that Torah is "G-d inspired".

What, you might ask, does that mean? Want to debate ? :D

OK, I'll bite. So, let me start off by asking exactly how could one actually tell if any scriptures were "divinely inspired" or not? :D
 
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