Avi's Spiritual and Religious Journey - Part 2

[Avi1001]

At the very least, he considers it a "price to pay", which in other words simply means a waste of time.

I believe you corrected yourself on this, so......not further said.

 

[Avi1001]

I doubt he considers it a waste for you. You've spoken up and said that you find worth in what you do. It's the same between any two or more persons.

Thank you Sleeppy, you are indeed correct, and a perceptive individual !

 

[Avi1001]

I didn't mean that he thought I was wasting my time. I meant that he knows he is doing illogical stuff, and in doing so, realizes that he is paying a price, which is time.

This is true, no one is perfectly logical or rational, so we all pay the price. On the other hand, some pay a high price for their irrational beliefs.

Two good examples are smoking and drinking excessive alcohol.

Fundamentalist religious beliefs result in society paying a high price. How many people have been killed the last 4,000 years because of fundamentalist religious beliefs?

 

[Avi1001]

You have every right to be a Theist, Jew, and of reform (with small r as you say) denomination. It is good that you pray to the One-True-God (G-d or YHWH or Yahweh) and have fasting.

Regards

Paar, you say you are a peaceful Ahmadian Muslim, and I take you at your word. If you are indeed a man of peace, I will be able to forgive many of your possible faults.

So you seem to be a follower of Torah. Do you have equal interest in the Quran?

 

[Avi1001]

So Paar, we know very well that you believe that G-d is one. You are also a big fan of the Ten Commandments and Torah. I think you disagree with the Talmud because it is "Oral Law". Can you explain your thoughts on this?

You get me wrong friend Avi1001.

I did not mean any state authority or any clergy.

I meant the authority from the One-True-God. The original at the time of a Law giving prophet/messenger as well as the reformation, in the subsequent times for the purpose of reviving the true teachings of the Law giving prophet/messenger, must be authorized by the One-True-God and not in rebellion to the true teachings of the Law giving prophet/messenger.

Else, it would be a deformation or distortion in the name of reformation.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

So Paar, we know very well that you believe that G-d is one. You are also a big fan of the Ten Commandments and Torah. I think you disagree with the Talmud because it is "Oral Law". Can you explain your thoughts on this?

Thanks for your appreciation.

One could see what the scribes have done to the written Torah; they have corrupted it immensely.

One could imagine the dimensions of the corruption the narrators must have done to the Talmud; hence it needs also to be purified like the written one.

And that is not difficult to do. One has to distinguish the right from the wrong without changing the texts further.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Paar, you say you are a peaceful Ahmadian Muslim, and I take you at your word. If you are indeed a man of peace, I will be able to forgive many of your possible faults.

So you seem to be a follower of Torah. Do you have equal interest in the Quran?

Yes.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

.......I believe there is a line of intersection between the ethical and spiritual planes. Why for example do we value love over hatred ? Both are aspects of the spirit, are they not ?

I agree with you.

Regards

 

[Avi1001]

I am sorry my Ahmadian friend, but I have to disagree with your logic. Please tell us who, in your opinion wrote the Bible (Torah). You may abbreviate using mere single letters, along with the name Ezra.

Also, why do you believe these fine folks corrupted the Torah ?

Why do you believe the scholars corrupted the Talmud?

Who told you this....Grandpa Paar? Please do not surcome to ancient prejudices, my friend, Paar. You must stand up and be brave and challenge your Ahmadian false scribes !!

Thanks for your appreciation.

One could see what the scribes have done to the written Torah; they have corrupted it immensely.

One could imagine the dimensions of the corruption the narrators must have done to the Talmud; hence it needs also to be purified like the written one.

And that is not difficult to do. One has to distinguish the right from the wrong without changing the texts further.

Regards

 

[Avi1001]

I would say a firm yes to that !

Torah is a living document. It was written by a group of alphabet soup, including Ezra, but it is our ethical responsibility to re-interpret it. For example, as Avi Weiss, the founder of Open Orthodoxy advocates, we must allow women clergy into the Rabinate. Further, one should be permitted to drive on the Sabbath if they live a distance from the Temple.

Can anyone think of any other Halacha that need to be overturned? If not, I will give more examples.

 

[Avi1001]

The reform wing, here at RF, is deeply concerned that should Metis visit a Chabad Shul......he would return here, to RF, more liberal and reform than when he left. .....

 

[WonderWho]

I would say a firm yes to that !


Can anyone think of any other Halacha that need to be overturned? If not, I will give more examples.

The laws concerning mamzerim?

 

[Avi1001]

The laws concerning mamzerim?

maybe we should start by watching this movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062947/

 

[metis]

The reform wing, here at RF, is deeply concerned that should Metis visit a Chabad Shul......he would return here, to RF, more liberal and reform than when he left. .....

I'm not sure this could even begin to apply to my "I don't know" position. [copyrighted by me in 2004-- all violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law]

 

[Avi1001]

I'm not sure this could even begin to apply to my "I don't know" position. [copyrighted by me in 2004-- all violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law]

I suggest we start a "I don't know" DIR and sub-forum, where we can only ask respectful questions of members who do not know the answers.

 

[dantech]

I'm not sure this could even begin to apply to my "I don't know" position. [copyrighted by me in 2004-- all violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law]

What?! But.. I didn't know!

 

[metis]

What?! But.. I didn't know!

You evil man.:149: The subpoena is now in the mail. Enjoy your last Shabbat shalom.

 

[metis]

I suggest we start a "I don't know" DIR and sub-forum, where we can only ask respectful questions of members who do not know the answers.

Ah, a true exchange of ignorance is what you're saying we should have? But don't we already have this here now?

 

[dantech]

You evil man.:149: The subpoena is now in the mail. Enjoy your last Shabbat shalom.

This will get to court, which means.... I'm the second RFer that you will meet in person.

You will be in trouble with your wiiffeeeee!:run:

 

[metis]

This will get to court, which means.... I'm the second RFer that you will meet in person.

You will be in trouble with your wiiffeeeee!:run:

Hah! Do you honestly think I'm ever out of trouble with her?! I'm just so abused! :slap: