Avi's Spiritual and Religious Journey - Part 2

[Avi1001]

Sure we could defeat them militarily but it would be whack-a-mole unless we defeat them theologically. It's considered laughable but "winning hearts and minds" really is the solution.

In that regard, I ran across a CNN piece today by Amy-Jill Levin, a self described "Yankee Jewish feminist..." exploring the New Testament story of the "Good Samaritan". (How's that for a theological mash-up )

Very nice article by Amy Levin...any thoughts about it ?

 

[Avi1001]

It is true that since WWII the rest of the world has resisted Germany's rearmament. This is because everyone knows if we give them the opportunity they will be the leaders in starting a WWIII.

We know you are brainwashed...no need to discuss further. Btw, why does your location say: German Exile ? I still do not understand, where are you exiled from, Poland ?

.....Apologist for Germany? Well i live in the common year 2014 where the "warrior nation of Germany" has 7(out of over 100) combat ready fighter planes of which 4 patrol the airspace of the Baltic countries and the rest of the military is downsized for the budget.
Care about backing up your ridiculous claims? Or just more snarky remarks?

Because i can back up mine: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/weekinreview/15kulish.html?pagewanted=all

I'd like to see how that is "warrior nation"-like.
Next we could discuss how the "warrior nation" of Germany wasnt involved in the mess that is Iraq or Libya.

 

[Flankerl]

It is true that since WWII the rest of the world has resisted Germany's rearmament. This is because everyone knows if we give them the opportunity they will be the leaders in starting a WWIII.

Source?
NATO usually whines about that Germany doesnt use the minimal % of its budget for the military and that Germany doesnt want to go on military adventures all throughout the world.

And the "world" resisted German rearmament so much after 1945 that the Allies urged Germany to start the armed forces again after which the Germans started full blown riots.

Also Germany has no nuclear weapons nor the political or will in the society to acquire them.


Now post some sources about todays militaristic Germany.

We know you are brainwashed...no need to discuss further. Btw, why does your location say: German Exile ? I still do not understand, where are you exiled from, Poland ?

Not really sure what i should think about that a Jew asks me what the Exile is.

 

[Avi1001]

Thank G-d Germany does not have nuclear weapons...talk about the fox in the hen house.

So you are calling yourself a "German Exile" because of the fall of the Second Temple ? Wow...talk about strange attachments.

Source?
NATO usually whines about that Germany doesnt use the minimal % of its budget for the military and that Germany doesnt want to go on military adventures all throughout the world.

And the "world" resisted German rearmament so much after 1945 that the Allies urged Germany to start the armed forces again after which the Germans started full blown riots.

Also Germany has no nuclear weapons nor the political or will in the society to acquire them.

Now post some sources about todays militaristic Germany.

Not really sure what i should think about that a Jew asks me what the Exile is.

 

[sun rise]

Very nice article by Amy Levin...any thoughts about it ?

My first thought was that you might enjoy an article by her. Also, I enjoy people such as her who can bring an interesting perspective to something that has been interpreted in one way.

And she has a very good point that one has to put things into the proper context to understand them.

As to the specific one I posted here, I would make that basic point in another way. The human race has been tribal as far back as we know and perhaps much further since animals specifically chimps are tribal and attack outsiders and even further down the evolutionary ladder.

It's time for humans to grow beyond the "tribe" and to consider others on an individual basis. And part of this is to understand people's motivations. What motivates someone to leave a middle class comfortable existence and become a violent terrorist?

I also remember during the 60's a chant which included "5 6 7 8 organize to smash the state". A friend once told me about being with some of those who wanted a violent revolution in America and discovering exactly what kind of people they really were like. He understood that they were much worse than the government they opposed and decided to rejoin society.

I also remember the at least somewhat successful effort to combat terrorism by having Islamic scholars debate the Quran and present an alternative view grounded in religion.

This has strayed from your question but to finish off this post, a quote from the Quran which illustrates what I'm circling around "if you mix your affairs with theirs, then they are your brothers"

 

[Flankerl]

Thank G-d Germany does not have nuclear weapons...talk about the fox in the hen house.

So you are calling yourself a "German Exile" because of the fall of the Second Temple ? Wow...talk about strange attachments.

So no sources huh? (btw Germany "has" nuclear weapons under the NATO nuclear weapons sharing agreement and yet nothing bad happened, its probably a ploy to give us a false feeling about security huh?)

Yeah being sad about what happened back then is totally unjewish, its not like we have entire days dedicated to it. Its probably the warrior nation influence.

 

[paarsurrey]

Source?
NATO usually whines about that Germany doesnt use the minimal % of its budget for the military and that Germany doesnt want to go on military adventures all throughout the world.

And the "world" resisted German rearmament so much after 1945 that the Allies urged Germany to start the armed forces again after which the Germans started full blown riots.

Also Germany has no nuclear weapons nor the political or will in the society to acquire them.


Now post some sources about todays militaristic Germany.






Not really sure what i should think about that a Jew asks me what the Exile is.

Not really sure what i should think about that a Jew asks me what the Exile is.

It is a very pertinent question.
Did you forefathers lived in any part of land where Israel exists ?
Or its an imaginary exile from an ImaginaryLand.

Regards

 

[Avi1001]

This article was very interesting reading. As a Jewish Academician, her teaching in the field of New Testament makes her quite unique. Her views are refreshingly new as well. Thanks.

My first thought was that you might enjoy an article by her. Also, I enjoy people such as her who can bring an interesting perspective to something that has been interpreted in one way.

And she has a very good point that one has to put things into the proper context to understand them.

As to the specific one I posted here, I would make that basic point in another way. The human race has been tribal as far back as we know and perhaps much further since animals specifically chimps are tribal and attack outsiders and even further down the evolutionary ladder.

It's time for humans to grow beyond the "tribe" and to consider others on an individual basis. And part of this is to understand people's motivations. What motivates someone to leave a middle class comfortable existence and become a violent terrorist?

I also remember during the 60's a chant which included "5 6 7 8 organize to smash the state". A friend once told me about being with some of those who wanted a violent revolution in America and discovering exactly what kind of people they really were like. He understood that they were much worse than the government they opposed and decided to rejoin society.

I also remember the at least somewhat successful effort to combat terrorism by having Islamic scholars debate the Quran and present an alternative view grounded in religion.

This has strayed from your question but to finish off this post, a quote from the Quran which illustrates what I'm circling around "if you mix your affairs with theirs, then they are your brothers"

 

[Avi1001]

Nah, I don't need to present sources to prove that Germany was the most genocidal country in the history of the world...any educated person knows this.

It sounds like your favorite holiday is Tisha B'Av, the holiday celebrating disaster.

So no sources huh? (btw Germany "has" nuclear weapons under the NATO nuclear weapons sharing agreement and yet nothing bad happened, its probably a ploy to give us a false feeling about security huh?)

Yeah being sad about what happened back then is totally unjewish, its not like we have entire days dedicated to it. Its probably the warrior nation influence.

 

[Avi1001]

Paar, you are another Sherlock Holmes.

As a Jew, Flankie's ancestors undoubtedly lived in what is that present day Israel...we just don't know when.

Do you think she might actually be a Muslim ? Or maybe a Judeo-Muslim ? What say you....Paar ?

Not really sure what i should think about that a Jew asks me what the Exile is.

It is a very pertinent question.
Did you forefathers lived in any part of land where Israel exists ?
Or its an imaginary exile from an ImaginaryLand.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Paar, you are another Sherlock Holmes.

As a Jew, Flankie's ancestors undoubtedly lived in what is that present day Israel...we just don't know when.

Do you think she might actually be a Muslim ? Or maybe a Judeo-Muslim ? What say you....Paar ?

If one is in exile in Germany; then one must be sure from where one is in exile. If one is not sure; then one must be in exile from nowhere.

What stopped one going to Israel and living there? The would happily settle one there.

Regards

 

[Avi1001]

Would you want to live in a country completely surrounded by enemies ? Flankie might be snarkie...but she is not completely loonie !!

If one is in exile in Germany; then one must be sure from where one is in exile. If one is not sure; then one must be in exile from nowhere.

What stopped one going to Israel and living there? The would happily settle one there.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Would you want to live in a country completely surrounded by enemies ? Flankie might be snarkie...but she is not completely loonie !!

Then no need to write in exile.

Regards

 

[Avi1001]

Then no need to write in exile.

Regards

Well stated, Paar, I bet both you and I would shudder at the very thought of living in Germany, right, buddy ?

 

[Flankerl]

Nah, I don't need to present sources to prove that Germany was the most genocidal country in the history of the world...any educated person knows this.

"was"? But thats simple past. You wrote about the present.

It sounds like your favorite holiday is Tisha B'Av, the holiday celebrating disaster.

You definitely aren't Sherlock Holmes.

Not really sure what i should think about that a Jew asks me what the Exile is.

It is a very pertinent question.
Did you forefathers lived in any part of land where Israel exists ?
Or its an imaginary exile from an ImaginaryLand.

Regards

Completely unimportant question as far as Judaism is concerned.

If one is in exile in Germany; then one must be sure from where one is in exile. If one is not sure; then one must be in exile from nowhere.

What stopped one going to Israel and living there? The would happily settle one there.

Regards

Its called having a life. You should try it out some time.

 

[paarsurrey]

Paar, it's about time we get past these racism and bigotry accusations. Everyone one on the Avi thread is as clean as a whistle....even you. Now suck it up, and behave like a mensch !

Don't get me wrong.

I have no objection being ascribed to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Benjamin,Moses,Aaron, Jonah,David, Zachariah, John the Baptist, Jesus etc
These were spiritual person and rose above the level of racism.
If you ascribe yourself to any of them, I will be with you,mensch.

I don't understand as to why Jews opted to be known after Judah.

Regards

 

[Desert Snake]

Don't get me wrong.

I have no objection being ascribed to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Benjamin,Moses,Aaron, Jonah,David, Zachariah, John the Baptist, Jesus etc
These were spiritual person and rose above the level of racism.
If you ascribe yourself to any of them, I will be with you,mensch.

I don't understand as to why Jews opted to be known after Judah.

Regards

The term Jew doesn't indicate how individual Jews view themselves, necessarily....afaik...like, they may identify with any person or area, really. 'Judah' doesn't indicate racism, however.

 

[Flankerl]

I don't understand as to why Jews opted to be known after Judah.

For what its worth...
Probably because the people from the Tribe of Judah in the Kingdom of Judah were the last ones to be taken to Babylonia along with the people from the Tribe of Simeon, Benjamin and Levi.(not even speaking about the refugees from the Tribes of Dan, Ephraim, Manasseh, Asher and Zebulun)
During the exile in Babylon the lines between the Tribes began to vanish and the people began to see themselves (again) more as Bnei Israel and due to the influence of the biggest remaining Tribe of Judah as Yahudi or Jews.

At the end of the exile even the Levites and Kohanim were essentially integrated into the Tribe of Judah even though they remained somewhat separated due to their religious importance.


Though i have the feeling that i wrote all of this for nothing.

 

[paarsurrey]

For what its worth...
Probably because the people from the Tribe of Judah in the Kingdom of Judah were the last ones to be taken to Babylonia along with the people from the Tribe of Simeon, Benjamin and Levi.(not even speaking about the refugees from the Tribes of Dan, Ephraim, Manasseh, Asher and Zebulun)
During the exile in Babylon the lines between the Tribes began to vanish and the people began to see themselves (again) more as Bnei Israel and due to the influence of the biggest remaining Tribe of Judah as Yahudi or Jews.

At the end of the exile even the Levites and Kohanim were essentially integrated into the Tribe of Judah even though they remained somewhat separated due to their religious importance.


Though i have the feeling that i wrote all of this for nothing.

No, it is not for nothing.

But the exile to Babylonia is now over.
Why stick to its effects?

Regards

 

[Levite]

But the exile to Babylonia is now over.
Why stick to its effects?

The Babylonian Exile ended: the Babylonians permitted us to return to the Land of Israel and rebuild the Temple. The Roman Exile, started in the Hadrianic persecutions of the second century CE, and in the wake of the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, never ended.

We have fortunately regained some of our ancestral homeland, but some was never regained, some we had to give away in the Egyptian peace treaty of the 1970s, and a large portion of which we will have to give to the Palestinians, if peace negotiations can ever be completed. It is unlikely we could peacefully regain sovereignty over all our original homeland to its furthest bounds at any time in the foreseeable future. Plus, we are disunited amongst ourselves as Jews, and it is unlikely that we will at any time in the foreseeable future achieve a safety, union, stability, and peace amongst ourselves and our neighbors of such circumstances that the Temple could be rebuilt.

This Exile is unlikely to truly end until the messiah comes. So we are all entitled to continue calling ourselves Exiles, wherever we live-- even, in a certain degree, those of us who actually live in Israel. But definitely those of us who don't.