Avi's Spiritual and Religious Journey - Part 2

[Avi1001]

Don't get me wrong.

I have no objection being ascribed to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Benjamin,Moses,Aaron, Jonah,David, Zachariah, John the Baptist, Jesus etc
These were spiritual person and rose above the level of racism.
If you ascribe yourself to any of them, I will be with you,mensch.

I don't understand as to why Jews opted to be known after Judah.

Regards

Ok, dude, just keep your nose clean, we'll be fine.

And we Jews are not big find of John the Baptist or Jesus, but the others were cool. Who is your favorite Biblical character and why ?

Btw, what do you think of the video "Happy" ?

 

[Avi1001]

The term Jew doesn't indicate how individual Jews view themselves, necessarily....afaik...like, they may identify with any person or area, really. 'Judah' doesn't indicate racism, however.

disciple..pass "Go", Collect $200.

 

[Avi1001]

For what its worth...
Probably because the people from the Tribe of Judah in the Kingdom of Judah were the last ones to be taken to Babylonia along with the people from the Tribe of Simeon, Benjamin and Levi.(not even speaking about the refugees from the Tribes of Dan, Ephraim, Manasseh, Asher and Zebulun)
During the exile in Babylon the lines between the Tribes began to vanish and the people began to see themselves (again) more as Bnei Israel and due to the influence of the biggest remaining Tribe of Judah as Yahudi or Jews.

At the end of the exile even the Levites and Kohanim were essentially integrated into the Tribe of Judah even though they remained somewhat separated due to their religious importance.

Though i have the feeling that i wrote all of this for nothing.

Nice job...Rabbi Flankie.

 

[Avi1001]

The Babylonian Exile ended: the Babylonians permitted us to return to the Land of Israel and rebuild the Temple. The Roman Exile, started in the Hadrianic persecutions of the second century CE, and in the wake of the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, never ended.

We have fortunately regained some of our ancestral homeland, but some was never regained, some we had to give away in the Egyptian peace treaty of the 1970s, and a large portion of which we will have to give to the Palestinians, if peace negotiations can ever be completed. It is unlikely we could peacefully regain sovereignty over all our original homeland to its furthest bounds at any time in the foreseeable future. Plus, we are disunited amongst ourselves as Jews, and it is unlikely that we will at any time in the foreseeable future achieve a safety, union, stability, and peace amongst ourselves and our neighbors of such circumstances that the Temple could be rebuilt.

This Exile is unlikely to truly end until the messiah comes. So we are all entitled to continue calling ourselves Exiles, wherever we live-- even, in a certain degree, those of us who actually live in Israel. But definitely those of us who don't.

Good answer, Levite, but we have to go the next step and think about solutions to these problems. It is not enough to say...lets wait for the Messiah.

Do you think we need to do anything about education ? Economic class differences ? Interfaith activities ? Or just wait for the Messiah to show up ?

 

[paarsurrey]

The Babylonian Exile ended: the Babylonians permitted us to return to the Land of Israel and rebuild the Temple. The Roman Exile, started in the Hadrianic persecutions of the second century CE, and in the wake of the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, never ended.

We have fortunately regained some of our ancestral homeland, but some was never regained, some we had to give away in the Egyptian peace treaty of the 1970s, and a large portion of which we will have to give to the Palestinians, if peace negotiations can ever be completed. It is unlikely we could peacefully regain sovereignty over all our original homeland to its furthest bounds at any time in the foreseeable future. Plus, we are disunited amongst ourselves as Jews, and it is unlikely that we will at any time in the foreseeable future achieve a safety, union, stability, and peace amongst ourselves and our neighbors of such circumstances that the Temple could be rebuilt.

This Exile is unlikely to truly end until the messiah comes. So we are all entitled to continue calling ourselves Exiles, wherever we live-- even, in a certain degree, those of us who actually live in Israel. But definitely those of us who don't.

And the Messiah has come.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is the Messiah; so the exile must end now.
No reason to continue it.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Good answer, Levite, but we have to go the next step and think about solutions to these problems. It is not enough to say...lets wait for the Messiah.

Do you think we need to do anything about education ? Economic class differences ? Interfaith activities ? Or just wait for the Messiah to show up ?

And the Messiah has come.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is the Messiah; so the exile must end now.
No reason to continue it.
He has a mission house in Haifa, in northern Israel, just for your information.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Ok, dude, just keep your nose clean, we'll be fine.

And we Jews are not big find of John the Baptist or Jesus, but the others were cool. Who is your favorite Biblical character and why ?

Btw, what do you think of the video "Happy" ?

My nose is already clean.
Don't you worry, friend.

Regards

 

[metis]

Good answer, Levite, but we have to go the next step and think about solutions to these problems. It is not enough to say...lets wait for the Messiah.

Do you think we need to do anything about education ? Economic class differences ? Interfaith activities ? Or just wait for the Messiah to show up ?

This reminds me of the "praise God and pass the ammunition" approach. I think it was the RAMBAM who said that if you're tilling the garden and the Messiah comes, finish tilling the garden first as you can meet the Messiah later.

 

[Levite]

And the Messiah has come.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is the Messiah; so the exile must end now.
No reason to continue it.
He has a mission house in Haifa, in northern Israel, just for your information.

Regards

He wasn't our messiah. Maybe he was yours. But nothing to do with us.

 

[Levite]

This reminds me of the "praise God and pass the ammunition" approach. I think it was the RAMBAM who said that if you're tilling the garden and the Messiah comes, finish tilling the garden first as you can meet the Messiah later.

Yeah, that's actually from the Gemara. We don't rely on expecting the messiah to show up, nor do we refrain from doing important or even just necessary work to wait for him. In fact, unless we work to amend the world, we can never bring the coming of the messiah at all.

 

[metis]

Yeah, that's actually from the Gemara. We don't rely on expecting the messiah to show up, nor do we refrain from doing important or even just necessary work to wait for him. In fact, unless we work to amend the world, we can never bring the coming of the messiah at all.

But you can help speed up the coming of the Messiah if you let our Tigers win the next couple of games so we can clinch our division. :help:

 

[Avi1001]

But you can help speed up the coming of the Messiah if you let our Tigers win the next couple of games so we can clinch our division. :help:

First things first. You need the Messiah to bail out Detroit.

 

[metis]

First things first. You need the Messiah to bail out Detroit.

The way my wife spends money, maybe she is that badly needed Messiah! :bow:

 

[paarsurrey]

The way my wife spends money, maybe she is that badly needed Messiah! :bow:

It is corrupted notion of a Messiah (Moshiach) that he will distribute material wealth.

Regards

 

[Desert Snake]

It is corrupted notion of a Messiah (Moshiach) that he will distribute material wealth.

Regards

Agreed.

 

[sun rise]

Yeah, that's actually from the Gemara. We don't rely on expecting the messiah to show up, nor do we refrain from doing important or even just necessary work to wait for him. In fact, unless we work to amend the world, we can never bring the coming of the messiah at all.

My favorite story from the "Treasury of Jewish Folklore" is one entitled "(Rabbi) Joseph dell Reyna Storms Heaven" about the attempt to bring down the Messiah. A excerpt of a short version I found online:

“Joseph della Reyna Storms Heaven,” taken from a Yiddish groschen chapbook, is authentic folklore. Rabbi della Reyna, “seeing that there were in Jerusalem so many pious men who sought God and loved truth,” decided to try to force the Messiah to come down to earth.
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On top of Mount Sheir, Joseph and his disciples encountered Satan and Lilith and their legions, disguised as wild dogs. The holy men overpowered them with the Ineffable Name and mystic formulae and bound the dogs, whereupon they assumed human form, though with wings arid fiery eyes. Satan and Lilith begged for food, but Rabbi Joseph remembered the warning against showing pity for evil.

“‘Help us! Give us something to eat! We’re dying of hunger!’ Still Rabbi Joseph della Reyna hardened his heart against them. . . . ‘At least give us a smell of your spices or we perish!’

“Now Rabbi Joseph was a compassionate man. He could not endure the sight of suffering in man or beast. Having triumphed over Satan and Lilith he thought he could now safely show a small measure of magnanimity towards them. He therefore gave them some of the strong spices to smell. Immediately tongues of searing flame shot from their nostrils. All their former strength returned to them. They tore away their bonds and summoned to their aid hosts of shrieking demons and devils. Two of the disciples immediately died of terror. Two of them went out of their minds and wandered away. Only Rabbi Joseph and one disciple remained.


“The angels in Heaven went into mourning, the Prophet Elijah put away the great shofar of the Redemption, and the Messiah sadly led his white horse back into the stable. Then God declared, ‘Pay heed, O Joseph della Reyna! No human has the power to end the Exile! I alone, God, will hasten the Redemption of the Jewish People when the right times comes!’”

One thing that I noticed in this story is that the Messiah's white horse. Hindu scriptures speak of that as well

Vishnu will return as Kalki, upon a white horse, as the last Avatar, amid fire and flames.' - Hindu Puranas c 900 c.e.

In the Book of Revelation, Christ rides a white horse out of heaven. I don't think these references to a white horse are a coincidence.

 

[paarsurrey]

My favorite story from the "Treasury of Jewish Folklore" is one entitled "(Rabbi) Joseph dell Reyna Storms Heaven" about the attempt to bring down the Messiah. A exerpt of a short version I found online:


One thing that I noticed in this story is that the Messiah's white horse. Hindu scriptures speak of that as well In the Book of Revelation, Christ rides a white horse out of heaven. I don't think these references to a white horse are a coincidence.

And there is a tradition of Muhammad that Messiah will descend on a white minaret near Damascus.

These are all interpret-able visions; not material notions.

Regards

 

[metis]

It is corrupted notion of a Messiah (Moshiach) that he will distribute material wealth.

Regards

Do you know what the words "joking around" mean?

 

[Flankerl]

Do you know what the words "joking around" mean?

No he doesnt.

 

[Akivah]

The way my wife spends money, maybe she is that badly needed Messiah! :bow:

Hey! Next time, tell me when you're joking around. I seriously thought that you worship your wife because she spends a lot.