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Avi's Spiritual and Religious Journey - Part 2
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Avi1001
reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
This is one of the most inspiring speeches I have heard in a while:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/arti...tson?_mSplash=1&trk=tod-home-art-list-large_0
And yet Phil Sunstone and I seem to be the only ones in the Feminist DIR interested. Can anyone explain how this could be the case ?
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/arti...tson?_mSplash=1&trk=tod-home-art-list-large_0
And yet Phil Sunstone and I seem to be the only ones in the Feminist DIR interested. Can anyone explain how this could be the case ?
I can only speak for myself, of course. My time online here is limited and I was not drawn to watch a speech given everything else going on in my life.
Avi1001
reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Can you watch the first 2 minutes of the speech ?
I did and I agree with her for the most part. Maybe she mentioned it later, but I think we also need to have a historical point of view which includes not only where we need to be but where we've come from which included no right to vote and a society which told women that they were only fit for Kinder, Küche, Kirche.
Avi1001
reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Can you watch minutes 2-4 now ?
Avi1001
reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
This post is inspired by my good friend, and sometimes mentor, Rabbio, who made a nice post in the Judaism DIR (where I do not dare to enter).
Rabbio, during this period of mourning, we are impelled to reach out with an olive branch, and offer it to those that we may have had occasion to disagree with during the past year. You are such a Rabbi.
In order to correct any misunderstanding, I am very sorry if I made you feel sad when I said you are too conservative to be a reform (small "r") Rabbi. Indeed, compared to me, most Rabbi's, in fact most Jews are quite conservative. You see, I am quite liberal, perhaps you might even say extremist, in my liberal views. This does not make me a bad person, because this is a free country, so I am allowed to be as liberal as I wish, but I think I am liberal in a good way.
Anyway, lets get back to Yom Kippur. One of my favorite parts of Yom Kippur is fasting. To tell the truth, I eat too much the other 364 days of the year, so the least I can do is cut back to 3,000 calories on Yom Kippur. Bagels, cream cheese, and lox..choroset, honey and apples, matzah, and a nice lamb chop....how else to celebrate the New Year.
What is the significance of Yom Kippur ? Anyone know ? Does it have anything to do with the Pescal lamb, the scapegoat of Jewish history ? Some might say yes, but I say...keep your hands off my sheep !
Finally, what do we make of Jonah and the whale ? One lesson we learn from this parable is....don't get swallowed by an animal with a humongous mouth. I think there are other lessons related to a withering vine and the Ninevines, but we have to be very careful. As the suns sets on the British Empire, we ask ourselves...is anything, these days...better than an Apple....or IPhone ?
Shana Tova to my reform (small "r") Jewish friends ! Lets do this again next Yom Kippur.
Rabbio, during this period of mourning, we are impelled to reach out with an olive branch, and offer it to those that we may have had occasion to disagree with during the past year. You are such a Rabbi.
In order to correct any misunderstanding, I am very sorry if I made you feel sad when I said you are too conservative to be a reform (small "r") Rabbi. Indeed, compared to me, most Rabbi's, in fact most Jews are quite conservative. You see, I am quite liberal, perhaps you might even say extremist, in my liberal views. This does not make me a bad person, because this is a free country, so I am allowed to be as liberal as I wish, but I think I am liberal in a good way.
Anyway, lets get back to Yom Kippur. One of my favorite parts of Yom Kippur is fasting. To tell the truth, I eat too much the other 364 days of the year, so the least I can do is cut back to 3,000 calories on Yom Kippur. Bagels, cream cheese, and lox..choroset, honey and apples, matzah, and a nice lamb chop....how else to celebrate the New Year.
What is the significance of Yom Kippur ? Anyone know ? Does it have anything to do with the Pescal lamb, the scapegoat of Jewish history ? Some might say yes, but I say...keep your hands off my sheep !
Finally, what do we make of Jonah and the whale ? One lesson we learn from this parable is....don't get swallowed by an animal with a humongous mouth. I think there are other lessons related to a withering vine and the Ninevines, but we have to be very careful. As the suns sets on the British Empire, we ask ourselves...is anything, these days...better than an Apple....or IPhone ?
Shana Tova to my reform (small "r") Jewish friends ! Lets do this again next Yom Kippur.
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Thanks for the pointer to Rabbio's post. I gave him a frubal for it which I'm allowed to do.
I don't know enough of the history/theology to write authoritatively about Yom Kippur from that perspective. While most of us do something every day that we could atone for, it seems helpful to focus one day of the year on reviewing our actions and repenting for our misdeeds.
As far as the true meaning of Jonah, I have no idea. But I did like the explanation given here: Jonah, the Whale, and Higher Consciousness Jews can subtract the references to Jesus and still I think reflect on the view of the symbolism the author of that web page finds. One other thought is that reading Jonah on the Day of Atonement can be a clue as to the meaning even if the explanation in that web site is not appealing.
Shana Tova to all.
I don't know enough of the history/theology to write authoritatively about Yom Kippur from that perspective. While most of us do something every day that we could atone for, it seems helpful to focus one day of the year on reviewing our actions and repenting for our misdeeds.
As far as the true meaning of Jonah, I have no idea. But I did like the explanation given here: Jonah, the Whale, and Higher Consciousness Jews can subtract the references to Jesus and still I think reflect on the view of the symbolism the author of that web page finds. One other thought is that reading Jonah on the Day of Atonement can be a clue as to the meaning even if the explanation in that web site is not appealing.
Shana Tova to all.
Thanks for the link.
Another way to interpret the passage in Jonah that is neither related to Cayce nor is wed to Christianity necessarily is to say that those who value violence and only see short term gains are like Jonah sleeping in a sinking ship during a storm. Jonah sleeps in the storm just as the violent sleep in their violence, not knowing they are being destroyed. When they are tossed everboard everything is better without them, and there in the sea in the fish, like Jonah, they are reformed. (Either through death or transformation.) Then they become true enemies of violence.
So...why the 3 days and 3 nights? Jonah became an intercessor for Nineveh. His anger with Nineveh became subject to his compassion for Nineveh. He we effectively cleansed of his pride, like a sacrifice loses its fat. The last bit of Jonah is about the vanity of anger, a nice finish to the story.
Another way to interpret the passage in Jonah that is neither related to Cayce nor is wed to Christianity necessarily is to say that those who value violence and only see short term gains are like Jonah sleeping in a sinking ship during a storm. Jonah sleeps in the storm just as the violent sleep in their violence, not knowing they are being destroyed. When they are tossed everboard everything is better without them, and there in the sea in the fish, like Jonah, they are reformed. (Either through death or transformation.) Then they become true enemies of violence.
So...why the 3 days and 3 nights? Jonah became an intercessor for Nineveh. His anger with Nineveh became subject to his compassion for Nineveh. He we effectively cleansed of his pride, like a sacrifice loses its fat. The last bit of Jonah is about the vanity of anger, a nice finish to the story.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I wish you all a meaningful Yom Kippur and Shabbat shalom. As for myself, I won't be attending services as I caught the YK bug (nasty chest cold or flu) earlier this week and am still in the process of healing-- doing better though. So, while your sins are forgiven, mine will just be accumulating for another year.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the well wishes for a good year.
We can find other articles that provide meaning without having to sift out the references to another religion's god.
Jonah and the Whale
The connection of Jonah to Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, is obvious. The entire book deals with Jonah's mission to the gentile people of Ninveh, urging them to repent - to do teshuva. Yom Kippur is the day for doing teshuva and receiving atonement.
Thanks for that link, too. I especially like the part about "escaping from ourselves."
Avi1001
reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Thank you for posting, Akivah. Why do you suppose Isaiah has become best known as a path of departure from Judaism, when Jonah could as easily be seen as such ?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Was Jonah an Assyrian or a Jew? Please
Regards
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Avi1001
reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
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Avi1001
reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
I wish you all a meaningful Yom Kippur and Shabbat shalom. As for myself, I won't be attending services as I caught the YK bug (nasty chest cold or flu) earlier this week and am still in the process of healing-- doing better though. So, while your sins are forgiven, mine will just be accumulating for another year.
Hey, Metis, I hope you feel better soon, and have a good day of relaxation at home !
Shana Tova !
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Avi1001
reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Please ?
Yunus was an Assyrian.
Jonah was a Jew.
I hope after everything I have already explained to you, Paar, that you realize that the sacred texts of both Judaism and Islam are quite religo-centric.
Do you have a point ?
By the way, Paar, Eid Mubarak, have a great day !
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Thank you and regards