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[FunctionalAtheist]

Endless stubbornness.

So if you read a book about kidney diseases then you'll find an article about electric circuits.

It is one of 2, either stubbornness or, i can't say the other option because of the forum rules.

I don't think you understood what i said, not odd that you find it easy to realize the similarity between humans and chimps.

These statements come from someone who cannot justify their position based on relevant facts and cogent thoughts. Can you restate your position more clearly?

 

[FearGod]

You obviously haven't researched the matter at all deeply. Science values and benefits enormously of discipline bleed-over.

Do you see it rational to discuss heart disease by speaking about quantum physics ?
i ain't against learning all sort of science but i only disagree to use it in a stupid way.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

I don't think you understood what i said, not odd that you find it easy to realize the similarity between humans and chimps.

I see numerous similarities and multitudes of differences. One thing that amazes me, you may agree, is that while humans have an unsurpassed ability to reason and rationalize, they are also unsurpassed in their ability to be irrational.

Chimps seem able to recognize when their efforts are futile.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Do you see it rational to discuss heart disease by speaking about quantum physics ?
i ain't against learning all sort of science but i only disagree to use it in a stupid way.

Context! I agree there are times when certain knowledge is not applicable to the problem at hand. But I disagree that quantum physics could never have importance in a discusion regarding heart disease.

From quantum physics to clinical device - MedicalPhysicsWeb

 

[Alceste]

Endless stubbornness.

So if you read a book about kidney diseases then you'll find an article about electric circuits.

It is one of 2, either stubbornness or, i can't say the other option because of the forum rules.

Don't be coy. You said a biology student wouldn't be interested in Newton, which is completely absurd. You didn't say anything about what one might find in a specific textbook for a specific class.

Unlike creationists, educated people tend to read more than one book.

Otoh, if you care to pick up A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson, you'll find everyone from Newton (physics) to Darwin (biology) to Marie Curie (chemistry) in there. And it's very enjoyable reading, too.

 

[FearGod]

These statements come from someone who cannot justify their position based on relevant facts and cogent thoughts. Can you restate your position more clearly?

Which facts, there are many facts,read how the mice are related to us

In short, the human and mouse genomes are remarkably similar not only in the structure of their chromosomes but also at the level of DNA sequence. Scientists have reported similarities between the two species for decades but never with the detail that is possible by lining up two genome sequences.

Humans and Mice Together at Last

 

[FearGod]

Context! I agree there are times when certain knowledge is not applicable to the problem at hand. But I disagree that quantum physics could never have importance in a discusion regarding heart disease.

From quantum physics to clinical device - MedicalPhysicsWeb

Medical physics.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Yes true, but a student in biology won't care about newton laws .
Imagine a doctor studying in college the ac & dc current in the electric circuit.
It is really ridiculous.

Biology students are required usually to take physics. And if my doctor didn't understand the difference between AC and DC I would not go to him...

There is a basic level of cross training that needs to happen for people to be well rounded and functional.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Which facts, there are many facts,read how the mice are related to us

In short, the human and mouse genomes are remarkably similar not only in the structure of their chromosomes but also at the level of DNA sequence. Scientists have reported similarities between the two species for decades but never with the detail that is possible by lining up two genome sequences.

Humans and Mice Together at Last

A very interesting article, but as it states, none of these results are very surprising. All mammals share very similar DNA. With chimps we are only 3% different. This study only looked at one mouse chromosome. It does not give the percentage similarity of actual sequences, but does state they are similar.

Why wouldn’t they be? After all, evolution predicts they will be. Evolution says that mice and men, and all mammals, have a common ancestor. At one time our progenitors and their progenitors where identical, the same.

I don’t have the data at hand, but I believe it is estimated that 70% of mammalian DNA is identical across all placental mammals.

Nice try!

 

[idav]

Medical physics.

Whats wrong, that give you a headache?

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Medical physics.

So when I show contradiction to your exact objection, you reframe? LOL. Classic denialist.

 

[FearGod]

Don't be coy. You said a biology student wouldn't be interested in Newton, which is completely absurd. You didn't say anything about what one might find in a specific textbook for a specific class.

Unlike creationists, educated people tend to read more than one book.

Otoh, if you care to pick up A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson, you'll find everyone from Newton (physics) to Darwin (biology) to Marie Curie (chemistry) in there. And it's very enjoyable reading, too.

I think reading doesn't make the stupid smarter, i believe one saying which says "we can't fix the stupid" , but yes i agree with you that reading many books will help the stupids to understand better because of their difficulty in understanding.

 

[FearGod]

So when I show contradiction to your exact objection, you reframe? LOL. Classic denialist.

Do you even know what is medical physics which you think of it related to physicians.

 

[FearGod]

Biology students are required usually to take physics. And if my doctor didn't understand the difference between AC and DC I would not go to him...

There is a basic level of cross training that needs to happen for people to be well rounded and functional.

No problem of studying physics as an additional course but to study physics in a book of genomics is an odd.

Endless stubbornness.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Do you even know what is medical physics which you think of it related to physicians.

Your ability to read half a post, half a sentence, and ignore the rest, is monumental.

 

[adi2d]

Endless stubbornness.

So if you read a book about kidney diseases then you'll find an article about electric circuits.

It is one of 2, either stubbornness or, i can't say the other option because of the forum rules.

Or 3. Goal post shifting
You said a student wouldn't study out of his major. When someone showed you were wrong you shifted to a book

Maybe you were right. Maybe you are too stubborn to admit you were wrong

 

[FearGod]

So, let me see if I got this straight.

Many Christians and Muslims are taught from an early age that the Theory of Evolution is an offense to God for some reason, perhaps simply because it does not state that humanity was Meant To Be.

I don't know if the reason is clear to them or if it is the same for many or most of those groups.

Therefore, they develop an understanding (quite at odds with the facts, it must be said) that the ToE is malicious, meant to deny the existence of God, and/or supported by suspect motivations and fraudulent evidence only.

If I am not missing something there (and I may well be, but I don't know what it would be), then the anti-Evolutionism movement is simply a manifestation of hurt pride and fear of questioning. It is not even constructive to the very Faiths that it purports to defend.

I agree that it goes against the bible which indeed have some mistakes regarding the creation in genesis but that isn't the case with Islam which points out that the bible was corrupted by man.

 

[LuisDantas]

I agree that it goes against the bible which indeed have some mistakes regarding the creation in genesis but that isn't the case with Islam which points out that the bible was corrupted by man.

I must assume it is reassuring to say that and even to believe in that.

Right now, I am not seeing any relevant difference. Be it from the Bible or the Quran, coming from a perspective that takes as a given that one has connected with the Inquestionable, Complete Truth and working from there regardless of what is found is simply not a good idea.

 

[FearGod]

Or 3. Goal post shifting
You said a student wouldn't study out of his major. When someone showed you were wrong you shifted to a book

Maybe you were right. Maybe you are too stubborn to admit you were wrong

No i weren't wrong.

Do you think an electrical engineer will be concerned with biology ?

General study doesn't mean biology is needed to be a major in electrical engineering and/or to be involved in its major books.

It is denial of truth at its best.

 

[FearGod]

I must assume it is reassuring to say that and even to believe in that.

Right now, I am not seeing any relevant difference. Be it from the Bible or the Quran, coming from a perspective that takes as a given that one has connected with the Inquestionable, Complete Truth and working from there regardless of what is found is simply not a good idea.

Why do you think that the quran is also wrong regarding creation ?