Babyhood to adulthood

[LuisDantas]

No i weren't wrong.

Do you think an electrical engineer will be concerned with biology ?

He may well be, particularly if he is working with cybernetic implants.

Many of the best findings occur at the meeting points of seemingly distant areas of knowledge.

General study doesn't mean biology is needed to be a major in electrical engineering and/or to be involved in its major books.

It is denial of truth at its best.

No one is denying that it is possible to be an electrical engineer without much knowledge of biology. It limits knowledge and applications, but it is not (yet?) a particularly limiting flaw.

But it is you who is insisting, for some reason, that there is no point to it.

 

[LuisDantas]

Why do you think that the quran is also wrong regarding creation ?

I do not know whether it is, and frankly I doubt it even has much to say about the matter one way or another, at least in a level that involves the Theory of Evolution.

I do however notice that many people claim that it is at odds with the ToE - or worse, gravely misrepresent the ToE in order to make it appear that it can be subsummed into the Quran. That is what Yusuf Estes did in the video you offered earlier in this thread. I don't know if he was faithful to the text of the Quran, but his presentation of biological evolution was somewhere in the range between uninformed and fraudulent.

So whatever else the Quran may be, it seems to be less than helpful in making people accept biological truth.

 

[FearGod]

He may well be, particularly if he is working with cybernetic implants.

Many of the best findings occur at the meeting points of seemingly distant areas of knowledge.


No one is denying that it is possible to be an electrical engineer without much knowledge of biology. It limits knowledge and applications, but it is not (yet?) a particularly limiting flaw.

But it is you who is insisting, for some reason, that there is no point to it.

OK, for the sake of argument let me wrong and you right .

Tell me how quantum physics is related with the randomness that leaded to the evolution of a sophisticated human being.

If you give me a rational answer which you won't then i'll admit that i was wrong.

 

[FearGod]

I do not know whether it is, and frankly I doubt it even has much to say about the matter one way or another, at least in a level that involves the Theory of Evolution.

I do however notice that many people claim that it is at odds with the ToE - or worse, gravely misrepresent the ToE in order to make it appear that it can be subsummed into the Quran. That is what Yusuf Estes did in the video you offered earlier in this thread. I don't know if he was faithful to the text of the Quran, but his presentation of biological evolution was somewhere in the range between uninformed and fraudulent.

So whatever else the Quran may be, it seems to be less than helpful in making people accept biological truth.

Which video ?!

i didn't post any video for Yusuf Estes in this thread.

 

[LuisDantas]

OK, for the sake of argument let me wrong and you right .

Tell me how quantum physics is related with the randomness that leaded to the evolution of a sophisticated human being.

I just don't know. I am not very aware at all of the implications (evidenced or speculative) of quantum physics.

I have a very vague notion that some people might see them as hinting that perhaps chaotic or semi-chaotic proccesses might somehow have a subtle underlying purpose, and that might conceivably even someday lead to the perception and perhaps later the evidenciation that there is a divine will guiding biological evolution.

But really, that is just rough guesswork and I do not even expect or want it to happen. For all I know it may be the truth, though.

If you give me a rational answer which you won't then i'll admit that i was wrong.

Well, those are two quite unrelated events. Not in the least because "I do not know" is about as rational an answer as they come.

I take it that you meant to ask for a convincing answer instead of simply a rational one?

 

[LuisDantas]

Which video ?!

i didn't post any video for Yusuf Estes in this thread.

Sorry! You are completely right. I got myself confused with another thread, post and poster.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3946538-post80.html

 

[Alceste]

No i weren't wrong.

Do you think an electrical engineer will be concerned with biology ?

General study doesn't mean biology is needed to be a major in electrical engineering and/or to be involved in its major books.

It is denial of truth at its best.

Electrical engineering isn't a science.

 

[Alceste]

Why do you think that the quran is also wrong regarding creation ?

Because of the astonishing ignorance of everyone I've ever talked to who, like yourself, thinks the Quran does a better job explaining the diversity of life on earth than science.

 

[viole]

We are speaking about organisms, and not about physics.
You do really memorize science, but you have to think how to use it properly.

Then I suggest to be precise. You do not accept biological science that involves randomness.

So, why not? What speaks against that from a logical point of view? What about a random little change that makes you slightly taller than your friends allowing you thereby to get to the fruits they cannot reach. This advantage will favor you and you will have therefore more chances to survive and pass the mutation to your kids and so on. Until all are slightly taller.

Wouldn't that be a random mutation that changes the whole population? What speaks against that?

Ciao

- viole

 

[FearGod]

Because of the astonishing ignorance of everyone I've ever talked to who, like yourself, thinks the Quran does a better job explaining the diversity of life on earth than science.

I didn't say so and the others are free to believe what they want to believe, it was about genesis errors about the creation of life and the universe and such mistakes aren't found in the quran.

 

[FearGod]

Electrical engineering isn't a science.

It is history maybe. :sarcastic

 

[FearGod]

I take it that you meant to ask for a convincing answer instead of simply a rational one?

A rational one will be a convincing one to show that you were right in defending the example of quantum physics to randomness in mutation that lead to a sophisticated organisms.

 

[LuisDantas]

A rational one will be a convincing one to show that you were right in defending the example of quantum physics to randomness in mutation that lead to a sophisticated organisms.

Such an answer may or may not exist, but isn't "I don't know" rational as well?

 

[YmirGF]

Yes in 2 words, science and logic.

I did ask you to be honest. Now, that the joke is over, care to give the real reasons?

I am facing many of them thats why i quoting it as my signature, but you can't fix stupidity.

Actually, you can fix stupidty, to a degree. Education, dove-tailed to a willingness to learn, can overcome stupidity. This method is the antithesis of religious fanaticism.

Now, again, will you give the honest reasons why you cannot accept the Theory of Evolution? You can do so without being accused of overt proselytizing. You would be saving people so much time in their valiant, but ridiculous, efforts to educate you.

Explain why you could NEVER agree to the ToE, no matter how convincing the arguments were.

 

[LuisDantas]

It is history maybe. :sarcastic

All of the engineering disciplines are applications of science, as opposed to scientific research. That is what makes them engineering.

 

[FearGod]

Then I suggest to be precise. You do not accept biological science that involves randomness.

So, why not? What speaks against that from a logical point of view? What about a random little change that makes you slightly taller than your friends allowing you thereby to get to the fruits they cannot reach. This advantage will favor you and you will have therefore more chances to survive and pass the mutation to your kids and so on. Until all are slightly taller.

Wouldn't that be a random mutation that changes the whole population? What speaks against that?

Ciao

- viole

Mutations are tiny changes and gradual that takes thousands to millions of years to make such changes, so i wonder that the species will live that long tell it becomes tall enough to reach as tall as the fruit in order to survive and to pass the genes to the next generation

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Mutations are tiny changes and gradual that takes thousands to millions of years to make such changes, so i wonder that the species will live that long tell it becomes tall enough to reach as tall as the fruit in order to survive and to pass the genes to the next generation

Each and every individual in any given species along the line of evolution has the ability to survive. However mutations and genes allow them to develop better survival tactics and eventually reach a point that was neither a goal nor end of the chain of change.

So what do you mean by "reaching the fruit"?

 

[FearGod]

I did ask you to be honest. Now, that the joke is over, care to give the real reasons?

Actually, you can fix stupidty, to a degree. Education, dove-tailed to a willingness to learn, can overcome stupidity. This method is the antithesis of religious fanaticism.

Now, again, will you give the honest reasons why you cannot accept the Theory of Evolution? You can do so without being accused of overt proselytizing. You would be saving people so much time in their valiant, but ridiculous, efforts to educate you.

Explain why you could NEVER agree to the ToE, no matter how convincing the arguments were.

Till now you didn't understand what we were talking about.

I don't believe about randomness in mutations to cause sophisticated organisms.

I used to your silly method of repeating the same question for several times even though that you got the answer,they call it trolling,but i call it childish behavior.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I don't believe about randomness in mutations to cause sophisticated organisms.

As well you shouldn't. To believe so would be quite foolish.

What gives rise to sophisticated organisms is random mutations PLUS selective environmental pressures.

 

[FearGod]

So what do you mean by "reaching the fruit"?

As the question apply that the species who will reach the fruit will survive and pass their genes to the next generation, that means they were hungry before reaching the fruits and then in one day night it becomes tall enough to eat from the fruit.

Keep in defending the stupid ideas.