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[viole]

And how that related to the randomness that resulting in a complex organisms.

Wel,, you said that you do not accept science based on randomness. But randomness happens all the time in physics.

And if happen all the time in physics what makes you think that it cannot happen during gene transmission, which is a physical process?

In other words: what is so incredible for you concerning an advantageous random mutation that can provide a small advantage that is then transmitted to the progeny?

Do you see a logical problem with that?

Ciao

- viole

 

[McBell]

Yes in 2 words, science and logic.

Yet you throw both out the window when they disagree with your stagnant beliefs...

I am facing many of them thats why i quoting it as my signature, but you can't fix stupidity.

Am here I thought you quoted it cause you took it as a challenge...

My bad

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Yes in 2 words, science and logic.

For example if it happened that your nose is designed to be close to your buttock then i'll be an atheist, maybe it happened one day millions of years ago and the offspring committed suicide before passing their genes to the next generation.

The reason why our nose is on our face rather than our but is actually profoundly simple.

Evolution isn't just random massive changes over short periods of time but simple to complex changes made one mutation of a gene at a time. The reason why we have a nose on our face and not on our anus actually starts out when we were incredibly simple and probably microscopic beings. We developed a mouth. Before a brain we probably developed a mouth. This gave us a more effective entry way to obtaining food rather than just absorbing it through our membranes. As a multi-cellular organism. Some animals lost their mouths along the way and some retained them. But having a mouth is a distinctly animalistic trait. There are no plants with functional mouths in the way way we have.

What does this mean? well it means that in order to find food and get it to our mouths it became advantageous to get more and more nerve cells to help "feel" around for food and get it in the mouth. Those that did not have as sensitive "heads" (though it probably isn't a defined head yet) would not have been as effective at surviving and therefore were less "fit".

So now we have an ever accumulating bundle of sensitive nerves accumulating near the head. It is still somewhat debated, but well supported, that this was the earliest form of a brain. With ever increasing and ever more complex bundles of nerves at this same area with an intention of getting food into the primitive mouth we get more chances for "sensory" nerves. The eye for example has evolved independently several times in several species throughout the world. Its a simple functional way to obtain information around us to better obtain food. Other sensory organs developed as well into our main 5 senses we have today.

So this bundling of nerves at our "mouth" eventually developed into the brain and other sensory organs. It would have also been evolutionary advantageous to have our "butt" or whichever way we got rid of excrement be as far from our "mouth" as possible to keep the chances of consuming our own excrement to a minimum. Since our sensory organs developed from the bundles of nerves near the mouth we develop a head with a nose on it and an anus to spew excrement at the other end.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

How that is related to randomness and chances ?

How is it not?

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

You have nerve. You might want to check your posts for mistakes before you point out errors in others



Why not debate the subject?

I have a lot of nerve, and spelling is not something I care to debat. Why debat with someone who merely says 'it makes no sense' and refuses to honestly consider what is being offered in counter?

 

[Alceste]

The reason why our nose is on our face rather than our but is actually profoundly simple.

Evolution isn't just random massive changes over short periods of time but simple to complex changes made one mutation of a gene at a time. The reason why we have a nose on our face and not on our anus actually starts out when we were incredibly simple and probably microscopic beings. We developed a mouth. Before a brain we probably developed a mouth. This gave us a more effective entry way to obtaining food rather than just absorbing it through our membranes. As a multi-cellular organism. Some animals lost their mouths along the way and some retained them. But having a mouth is a distinctly animalistic trait. There are no plants with functional mouths in the way way we have.

What does this mean? well it means that in order to find food and get it to our mouths it became advantageous to get more and more nerve cells to help "feel" around for food and get it in the mouth. Those that did not have as sensitive "heads" (though it probably isn't a defined head yet) would not have been as effective at surviving and therefore were less "fit".

So now we have an ever accumulating bundle of sensitive nerves accumulating near the head. It is still somewhat debated, but well supported, that this was the earliest form of a brain. With ever increasing and ever more complex bundles of nerves at this same area with an intention of getting food into the primitive mouth we get more chances for "sensory" nerves. The eye for example has evolved independently several times in several species throughout the world. Its a simple functional way to obtain information around us to better obtain food. Other sensory organs developed as well into our main 5 senses we have today.

So this bundling of nerves at our "mouth" eventually developed into the brain and other sensory organs. It would have also been evolutionary advantageous to have our "butt" or whichever way we got rid of excrement be as far from our "mouth" as possible to keep the chances of consuming our own excrement to a minimum. Since our sensory organs developed from the bundles of nerves near the mouth we develop a head with a nose on it and an anus to spew excrement at the other end.

A lovely explanation. Thank you! I learned something today. Although I've often described myself as a tubular entropy machine. Life in, compost out. That's what I'm basically here for.

 

[FearGod]

The reason why our nose is on our face rather than our but is actually profoundly simple.

Evolution isn't just random massive changes over short periods of time but simple to complex changes made one mutation of a gene at a time. The reason why we have a nose on our face and not on our anus actually starts out when we were incredibly simple and probably microscopic beings. We developed a mouth. Before a brain we probably developed a mouth. This gave us a more effective entry way to obtaining food rather than just absorbing it through our membranes. As a multi-cellular organism. Some animals lost their mouths along the way and some retained them. But having a mouth is a distinctly animalistic trait. There are no plants with functional mouths in the way way we have.

What does this mean? well it means that in order to find food and get it to our mouths it became advantageous to get more and more nerve cells to help "feel" around for food and get it in the mouth. Those that did not have as sensitive "heads" (though it probably isn't a defined head yet) would not have been as effective at surviving and therefore were less "fit".

So now we have an ever accumulating bundle of sensitive nerves accumulating near the head. It is still somewhat debated, but well supported, that this was the earliest form of a brain. With ever increasing and ever more complex bundles of nerves at this same area with an intention of getting food into the primitive mouth we get more chances for "sensory" nerves. The eye for example has evolved independently several times in several species throughout the world. Its a simple functional way to obtain information around us to better obtain food. Other sensory organs developed as well into our main 5 senses we have today.

So this bundling of nerves at our "mouth" eventually developed into the brain and other sensory organs. It would have also been evolutionary advantageous to have our "butt" or whichever way we got rid of excrement be as far from our "mouth" as possible to keep the chances of consuming our own excrement to a minimum. Since our sensory organs developed from the bundles of nerves near the mouth we develop a head with a nose on it and an anus to spew excrement at the other end.

You were a good student in biology.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

A lovely explanation. Thank you! I learned something today. Although I've often described myself as a tubular entropy machine. Life in, compost out. That's what I'm basically here for.

Your welcome.

You were a good student in biology.

A bit. But this is why a nose on the anus would be a very non-evolutionary trait.

 

[Alceste]

A lovely explanation. Thank you! I learned something today. Although I've often described myself as a tubular entropy machine. Life in, compost out. That's what I'm basically here for.

Further to the above, never let anyone tell you atheists aren't humble.

 

[FearGod]

Wel,, you said that you do not accept science based on randomness. But randomness happens all the time in physics.

And if happen all the time in physics what makes you think that it cannot happen during gene transmission, which is a physical process?

In other words: what is so incredible for you concerning an advantageous random mutation that can provide a small advantage that is then transmitted to the progeny?

Do you see a logical problem with that?

Ciao

- viole

We are speaking about organisms, and not about physics.
You do really memorize science, but you have to think how to use it properly.

 

[Alceste]

We are speaking about organisms, and not about physics.
You do really memorize science, but you have to think how to use it properly.

You can't memorize science, FearGod. It's a method, not a doctrine. You can either accept that it is an effective way to learn the truth about the world, or not.

 

[FearGod]

You can't memorize science, FearGod. It's a method, not a doctrine. You can either accept that it is an effective way to learn the truth about the world, or not.

Yes true, but a student in biology won't care about newton laws .
Imagine a doctor studying in college the ac & dc current in the electric circuit.
It is really ridiculous.

 

[idav]

It is really ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous for people to know things outside their respective fields?

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Yes true, but a student in biology won't care about newton laws .
Imagine a doctor studying in college the ac & dc current in the electric circuit.
It is really ridiculous.

Again, FearGod is wrong! I know many biologist that study physics, chemistry and astronomy.

 

[Alceste]

Yes true, but a student in biology won't care about newton laws .
Imagine a doctor studying in college the ac & dc current in the electric circuit.
It is really ridiculous.

Not true. A science education requires courses in a broad spectrum of scientific and mathematical fields. I don't even think you can choose a specific major without at least a year of general science and other courses, but I would look that up if I wanted to be sure.

No discipline works in isolation in science. Biology overlaps with chemistry, with physics, with geology and climate science... And the beauty of the method is that no discipline contradicts any other. They are all using the same method to discover bits and pieces of the truth, and the truth is a whole.

 

[FearGod]

Not true. A science education requires courses in a broad spectrum of scientific and mathematical fields. I don't even think you can choose a specific major without at least a year of general science and other courses, but I would look that up if I wanted to be sure.

No discipline works in isolation in science. Biology overlaps with chemistry, with physics, with geology and climate science... And the beauty of the method is that no discipline contradicts any other. They are all using the same method to discover bits and pieces of the truth, and the truth is a whole.

Endless stubbornness.

So if you read a book about kidney diseases then you'll find an article about electric circuits.

It is one of 2, either stubbornness or, i can't say the other option because of the forum rules.

 

[idav]

Endless stubbornness.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[LuisDantas]

Endless stubbornness.

So if you read a book about kidney diseases then you'll find an article about electric circuits.

It is one of 2, either stubbornness or, i can't say the other option because of the forum rules.

You obviously haven't researched the matter at all deeply. Science values and benefits enormously of discipline bleed-over.

 

[FearGod]

Again, FearGod is wrong! I know many biologist that study physics, chemistry and astronomy.

I don't think you understood what i said, not odd that you find it easy to realize the similarity between humans and chimps.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't think you understood what i said, not odd that you find it easy to realize the similarity between humans and chimps.

For that all one needs is actually looking at them.