Babyhood to adulthood

[idav]

randomness and chances can never bring a sophisticated beings to existence, such as the human beings.



We use math and science to develop things, randomness and chances can't develop sophisticated machines, also things around us work in a scientific way which means a designer is behind it ?

So how does a sophisticated machine such as god come about by random chance? Did god design and build himself to be a perfect creator?

 

[Alceste]

Feargod, can you see how a flip of a coin can be both chance and intended? So we cant know if evolution is chance or guided. Did god close his eyes to make creation random?

Apparently, since most species that have ever existed are extinct, and since most genetic mutations are neutral or negative in terms of survival and reproduction.

 

[Alceste]

Because i believe it is stupid to think otherwise.

Stupid is being ignorant about a subject, refusing to learn, and then demanding that others give your ideas on that subject equal consideration to those of experts in the field.

Not believing in some higher power running the show is neither stupid nor intelligent. You'll find plenty of idiots in every demographic, and intelligent people in most.

 

[LuisDantas]

randomness and chances can never bring a sophisticated beings to existence, such as the human beings.

Not even if perchance God wanted it so? Because maybe he did. I don't think so, but I can't honestly say that it categorically did not happen either.

How can anyone truly know whether there is a God who for whatever reason makes use of randomness and chances? There is certainly no evidence against it, or at least I can't think of any.

We use math and science to develop things, randomness and chances can't develop sophisticated machines,

That is not really all that clear. Nature does have a knack for developing impressive spontaneous patterns, and it is very possible that life itself developed in that way.

You are of course very free to disagree, as well as to believe that there is a divine will acting there. Many people do and it is at the very least difficult to challenge such a perception.

also things around us work in a scientific way which means a designer is behind it ?

That, IMO, is an open question, and one that can only be answered in a personal way, according to each one's vocation. There is no clear "true for everyone" answer.

 

[FearGod]

So, you think that all quantum physicists are stupid?

Ciao

- viole

How that is related to randomness and chances ?

 

[idav]

Apparently, since most species that have ever existed are extinct, and since most genetic mutations are neutral or negative in terms of survival and reproduction.

Could be god just wasnt intelligent enough to plan it in exacting detail. All the power and not knowing what to do with it. A few of gods first universes may have been comple failures. Science hasn't ruled out the theory that many universes are or were created.

 

[Alceste]

Could be god just wasnt intelligent enough to plan it in exacting detail. All the power and not knowing what to do with it. A few of gods first universes may have been comple failures. Science hasn't ruled out the theory that many universes are or were created.

God could be a programmer running a sim.

 

[idav]

How that is related to randomness and chances ?

There is reason to doubt hard determinism because of quantum mechanics.

 

[FearGod]

Lots of things happen in nature without an apparent will, though. Raindrops, for one. Or for that matter, gene mating in sexual reproduction.

Is it that troubling to admit that the gender of a child is random? Or maybe you don't think it is?

I believe it is made to be random, if it was all male or it was all female,then i'll think it is a stupid design,maybe i am opening the door to the argument of poor design.

 

[FearGod]

It seems that there is no more creationists in this forum.

 

[Alceste]

I believe it is made to be random, if it was all male or it was all female,then i'll think it is a stupid design,maybe i am opening the door to the argument of poor design.

Randomness over a huge sample results in roughly 50/50 odds. Good planning for humans would have produced far more females than males, given the basic mechanics of human reproduction.

 

[idav]

I believe it is made to be random, if it was all male or it was all female,then i'll think it is a stupid design,maybe i am opening the door to the argument of poor design.

I dont know if i would look at it a shot poor design, more like not designed to be perfect which opens up the door for naturalistic evolution.

 

[adi2d]

But when you refuse to except the consequences of a search for truth.

refuse to except : English is evolving.

You have nerve. You might want to check your posts for mistakes before you point out errors in others



Why not debate the subject?

 

[idav]

It seems that there is no more creationists in this forum.

There are not many literalist creationists. For the most part theists would believe god works behind the scenes, perhaps so subtle as to appear as a product of chance.

 

[Crippled Avenger]

Every human have to pass the stage of babyhood before reaching the stage of adulthood, so rationally speaking an adult human or an adult animal have first to grow as a baby, and the baby needs someone to feed him in order to grow to the stage of childhood and then to adulthood.

For me it seems impossible that an adult can be the product of evolution.

Whats your view ? how can it be explained other than the need for a ready pre- existence of adult male and female.

I suppose there is a rational explanation.

The thing I can't understand is WHY you feel the need to grow up at all. As an Adult Baby, I would gladly trade in everything I have now for five or fifteen minutes of being a two year old. Of course, that is my fantasy and has no bearings on reality. Really, I don't understand the desire for adult responsibilities or the stresses of adult life. Can you please explain to me what exactly is so WONDERFUL with adult life that I should desire it so much ? I just don't understand.

 

[viole]

How that is related to randomness and chances ?

What?

Quantum physiscs asserts that reality is, at fundamental level, only describable by probability waves. Nature is, at fundamental level, driven only by mere probability of things which appear to be more fundamental than the things themselves.

You seem to be totally unaware of what quantum physics entails.

Ciao

- viole

 

[FearGod]

I suppose there is a rational explanation.

The thing I can't understand is WHY you feel the need to grow up at all. As an Adult Baby, I would gladly trade in everything I have now for five or fifteen minutes of being a two year old. Of course, that is my fantasy and has no bearings on reality. Really, I don't understand the desire for adult responsibilities or the stresses of adult life. Can you please explain to me what exactly is so WONDERFUL with adult life that I should desire it so much ? I just don't understand.

Thinking in this way is the road for depression.

 

[YmirGF]

Thinking in this way is the road for depression.

Better depression than the road to intellectual suicide.


Care to explain to the others why you cannot accept randomness et al?

There are a couple of reasons. You know it and I know it.
Just, be honest with these folks and spare them from wasting their time.


Edit: Then I notice the utter irony of your signature, LOL.

Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity. - Michel de Montaigne

These days we call it "stuck on stupid".

 

[FearGod]

What?

Quantum physiscs asserts that reality is, at fundamental level, only describable by probability waves. Nature is, at fundamental level, driven only by mere probability of things which appear to be more fundamental than the things themselves.

You seem to be totally unaware of what quantum physics entails.

Ciao

- viole

And how that related to the randomness that resulting in a complex organisms.

 

[FearGod]

Better depression than the road to intellectual suicide.


Care to explain to the others why you cannot accept randomness et al?


There are a couple of reasons. You know it and I know it.
Just, be honest with these folks and spare them from wasting their time.

Yes in 2 words, science and logic.

For example if it happened that your nose is designed to be close to your buttock then i'll be an atheist, maybe it happened one day millions of years ago and the offspring committed suicide before passing their genes to the next generation.

Edit: Then I notice the utter irony of your signature, LOL.

These days we call it "stuck on stupid".

I am facing many of them thats why i quoting it as my signature, but you can't fix stupidity.