Baha'i and Science

[Trailblazer]

Yeah, every thing else is falsehood accept what your trio of Gods, Bahaullah, Abdul Baha and Shoghi Efendi say. I understand that.

That is not what I said.

 

[CG Didymus]

The irony is that it is the Jews and Christians who think all other religions are inferior

I never told them that their religion is beautiful and true... If the subject comes up I tell them I think Christianity has been corrupted:

Why do you distort things so? Christians, the Fundy ones, don't think the other religions are inferior... they think they are false and of the devil. But Baha'is don't think other religions are inferior and then you say Christianity has been corrupted? I think that puts them at a level below your religion. Which makes them... inferior. Carry on with your Baha'i biased attacks. Wait, let me answer for you... "No you're the one that's biased, not me." Yes, time to grow up TB. Live up to your religion and maybe you might get some more respect around here. Let me answer for you again, "The atheists respect me and love me." Well good for you then. It's always nice to be loved and respected.

 

[Trailblazer]

As long as women cannot be members of the UHJ the Baha'i faith is prejudiced against women. As long as homosexuals are treated as carrying a spiritual contagion, the Baha'i faith is a-scientific and just so long as people are declared "covenant breakers" and shunned for absurd reasons, the Baha'i faith is not universal.

Crass ignorance and a complete distortion of what Baha'is believe and what we do, but I no longer have time to waste on people like you who twist everything and have no interest in knowing the truth.
Believe whatever you want to believe.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

This is quite the back-and-forth:

Side 1: When Baha'is say X....

Side 2: Baha'is never say X....

Side 2: *posts link showing something that both proves the perspective of their side, yet also pretty much completely proves the perspective of the other side*

Side 1: Well when Baha'is say X....

Or to sum it up: We seem to be arguing a lot about semantics.

 

[CG Didymus]

I have no idea. I only know what has been corrupted in Christianity.

Hmmm? You don't study the Bible but you know what has been corrupted in Christianity? Too late, all the Baha'is have already told us. So let's move on to Hinduism. But wait, Baha'u'llah, the all-knowing prophet of God didn't say all that much about it. So what are we going to do?

 

[Trailblazer]

Why do distort things so? Christians, the Fundy ones, don't think the other religions are inferior... they think they are false and of the devil. But Baha'is don't think other religions are inferior and then you say Christianity has been corrupted? I think that puts them at a level below your religion. Which makes them... inferior. Carry on with your Baha'i biased attacks. Wait, let me answer for you... "No you're the one that's biased, not me." Yes, time to grow up TB. Live up to your religion and maybe you might get some more respect around here. Let me answer for you again, "The atheists respect me and love me." Well good for you then. It's always nice to be loved and respected.

It is time for you to grow up and find something better to do than attack the Baha'is.
You just don't like me because unlike the other Baha'is I stand up to you.
Please stop speaking for me. It is rude.

No, Baha'is do not think other religions are inferior because we believe that Christianity has been corrupted.
How dare you speak for Baha'is and what they think. You are so disrespectful.

Respect around here? I get respect from everyone except a handful of people on this forum who hate the Baha'i Faith. Hate is their problem, not mine. People ho hate cause their own suffering, little do they even know it.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yeah, you are saying that we are fools. Our books may be right, but they have been altered and we ignoramuses do not understand the meaning of our own writings and need the help of Bahais to put them in correct perspective, which is explained by Bahaullah, Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi and after them your Universal House of Justice. Any one who does not accept that or does not accept Bahaullah as the yet last manifestation of Allah will not get eternal life. We are OK with that do not want your eternal life which is bereft of grand mansions, 72 houris and unlimited supply of booze as is available in Islam. Why should not one accept Islam rather than one being Bahai.

Baha'is do not think other religions are inferior because we believe that Christianity has been corrupted.

Not just Christianity, but every other religion also is corrupted except that of the Bahai. [/QUOTE]

 

[Trailblazer]

Hmmm? You don't study the Bible but you know what has been corrupted in Christianity? Too late, all the Baha'is have already told us. So let's move on to Hinduism. But wait, Baha'u'llah, the all-knowing prophet of God didn't say all that much about it. So what are we going to do?

I do not have to read the Bible in order to know what has been corrupted. Others have done that work for me.
The False Prophets

What are you going to do about that? Tell me why a man who was a dignitary of the Anglican Church in Ireland and a Canon of St. Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin who resigned his Orders after forty years does not know the Bible?

 

[CG Didymus]

It is time for you to grow up and find something better to do than attack the Baha'is.
You just don't like me because unlike the other Baha'is I stand up to you.
Please stop speaking for me. It is rude.

No, Baha'is do not think other religions are inferior because we believe that Christianity has been corrupted.
How dare you speak for Baha'is and what they think. You are so disrespectful.

Respect around here? I get respect from everyone except a handful of people on this forum who hate the Baha'i Faith. Hate is their problem, not mine. People ho hate cause their own suffering, little do they even know it.

Again TB lighten up. You just blew off the first person I've seen here that is Zoroastrian. And ask your self this... are you standing up for the Baha'i Faith or for yourself?

 

[Aupmanyav]

What are you going to do about that?

Nothing. God as well as Allah has been created by human imagination and greed (for money, sex, power or fame). It is absolute falsehood and so are the claims of being a prophet/messenger/son/manifestation/mahdi. No intelligent person should believe that.

So what is so big about being an archdeacon in a nondescript church somewhere in Norther Ireland - Clonfert. That means a senior clergy. He may have been dissatisfied by not being promoted.

Clonfert (Irish: Cluain Fearta) is a small village in east County Galway, Ireland, halfway between Ballinasloe and Portumna. The village gives its name to the Diocese of Clonfert. Clonfert Cathedral is one of the eight cathedral churches of the Church of Ireland Diocese of Limerick and Killaloe. The cathedral of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Clonfert is located in Loughrea.
Clonfert - Wikipedia

Clonfert church, Clonfert alace

 

[CG Didymus]

I do not have to read the Bible in order to know what has been corrupted. Others have done that work for me.
The False Prophets

What are you going to do about that? Tell me why a man who was a dignitary of the Anglican Church in Ireland and a Canon of St. Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin who resigned his Orders after forty years does not know the Bible?

You know how the Anglican Church got started? And do we trust Christian priests and pastors? I don't think so, unless they've converted to the Baha'i Faith, then what they say is true? Hmmm? And is the opposite true? Those who have left the Baha'i Faith and become Christian, we can trust what they say? No. And what is a Baha'i supposed to do? Investigate the truth for themselves.

 

[loverofhumanity]

But that's just it. You don't. You go proselytising (pioneering) amongst other faiths. Hindus (with one minor exception) don't.

Proselytising is against our laws. We share our Faith but are forbidden to proselytise.

It is true that Bahá'u'lláh lays on every Bahá'í the duty to teach His Faith. At the same time, however, we are forbidden to proselytize, so it is important for all believers to understand the difference between teaching and proselytizing. It is a significant difference and, in some countries where teaching a religion is permitted, but proselytizing is forbidden, the distinction is made in the law of the land. Proselytizing implies bringing undue pressure to bear upon someone to change his Faith. It is also usually understood to imply the making of threats or the offering of material benefits as an inducement to conversion. In some countries mission schools or hospitals, for all the good they do, are regarded with suspicion and even aversion by the local authorities because they are considered to be material inducements to conversion and hence instruments of proselytization. (Universal House of Justice)

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Anyway, here's how I see it: The Baha'i faith uses a lot of confusing terms. Then Shoghi... well, I find it hard to say good things about him. But Baha'is will probably take a Fundamentalist approach at my statements and say I'm attacking their faith with such statements. Yet unlike with other human beings, I don't think faith deserves quite as much respect at default face-value as other humans do. Respect must be established in belief systems / religion.

And finally, I really need to say this: Baha'i is really confusing. A person can study it for a week and still get it wrong, to the extent they can hardly even discuss with most Baha'is. There are three truths: what the Baha'i says at face-value, how the other side can interpret such a thing and lastly, the actual meaning meant.

Now I do respect the Baha'i faith a lot for various reasons, many of them involving Bahaullah. But I can't wave every ounce of respect automatically and to everything.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Now I do respect the Baha'i faith a lot for various reasons, many of them involving Bahaullah. But I can't wave every ounce of respect automatically and to everything.

That is the way, 1 Thessalonians - "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good".

There is a Hidden Word;

"O Son of Spirit!
The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes." Baha'u'llah

Regards Tony

 

[kiwimac]

Crass ignorance and a complete distortion of what Baha'is believe and what we do, but I no longer have time to waste on people like you who twist everything and have no interest in knowing the truth.
Believe whatever you want to believe.

Mate, I WAS a Baha'i. I can quote from both Baha'i scripture as well as anecdote. So please feel free to tell me where I have twisted anything.

 

[kiwimac]

I do not have to read the Bible in order to know what has been corrupted. Others have done that work for me.
The False Prophets

What are you going to do about that? Tell me why a man who was a dignitary of the Anglican Church in Ireland and a Canon of St. Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin who resigned his Orders after forty years does not know the Bible?

George Townsend's knowledge of the Bible existed pre the Dead Sea Scrolls, further Christians today have access to older, hence better, MSS of the Bible. Or are you going to tell me I also don't know Christian thought and Theology?

 

[oldbadger]

I wrote 3, it was when I burned out from teaching,and they were reflective short stories from childhood. Therapy by remembering the pleasant. Not very good writing, but it helped me gain some perspective at the time.

I have written one. My perception of the life in Northern Palestine during Yeshua's time, and the campaign started by the Baptist and which he picked up and carried forward.

I was going to publish it on Amazon but have never converted the format from Rich-Text to whatever Amazon uses. Laziness, I guess.

 

[oldbadger]

We have different beliefs so we all walk a different path.

Believe what you like. And speak as you like.
But here you can read people who believe that Bahai is not good if it expands, and we speak it, and we walk a different path.

 

[oldbadger]

I plainly admit I believe all those things are wrong, but that does not mean I believe the Bible is wrong or Jesus was wrong.
Now what?

Mark {10:23} And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! {10:24} And the disciples were
astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and
saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust
in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! {10:25} It is
easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God

Red Herring? Or was Jesus right?
What did Bahauallah say about wealth?

 

[oldbadger]

Mate, I WAS a Baha'i. I can quote from both Baha'i scripture as well as anecdote. So please feel free to tell me where I have twisted anything.

Hi........ you've been on RF for 7 years longer than I, but 'Hi' anyway!
My late wife was a Bahai, 72-91'. Hence my interest in these folks.