Trailblazer said: I am getting sick of hearing these lies and I won't tolerate them anymore.
Not quite sure what to make of this. Is it a threat or have you just become so emerged in your religion you feel you are some type of divine defender of the contradictory and false narratives?
It is no threat at all. I am not a divine defender, but I have been charged with defending the Faith by correcting false information that is posted.
It is not that important.
Atheists are supposed to be logical, and most are. If the Baha’i Faith is not important then why do all the people on this thread spend so much time trying to knock it down? What damage can the tiny little religion do? I find that absolutely hilarious how much time these anti-Baha’i posters spend trying to knock it down. It does not bother me one bit because nobody can knock down what God has raised up; I just find it funny that they try so hard, like they have any power at all to against a religion that was revealed by an Almighty God. Mind you, I realize that *you* do not believe it was revealed by an Almighty God; I am just trying to explain *my* perspective.
It is just another offshoot of Islam and one of thousands of other minor belief systems out there.
That is not true, the Baha’i Faith is not an offshoot of Islam; it is a completely separate religion. The Baha’i Faith is no more an offshoot of Islam than Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. The Baha’i Faith grew out of Islam just as Christianity grew out of Judaism, but these are all separate religions because they all had their own Prophet (Messenger of God) that revealed their religions (Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, and Baha’u’llah).
It is not worth calling others liars when all they are doing is pointing out the obvious contradictions between what is written by the prophets and leaders of the religion and what the adherents claim are the views.
There are no contradictions, but if you can tell me what you think is contradictory I will explain why it is not.
And some of what people are saying on this thread are flat out lies. They are just hoping they can sway some unsuspecting people who know nothing about the Baha’i Faith.
Maybe just take a step back and try to look at what other people see with an open mind?
I know what they see because they are constantly pointing it out. I have an open mind but that does not mean I am going to agree with them because that would mean dropping out of my religion. I am not dropping out just because of the Baha’i Law on homosexuality. If I did that then that would prove I did not really believe in Baha’u’llah. It would also mean I think “I know more” than Baha’u’llah, who I believe is a Manifestation of God. That would be highly arrogant.
Or just go about happily following your chosen belief system without the need to prove to everyone else what you personally feel is the ultimate truth?
I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. I am on RF to engage in respectful dialogues with people about whatever they want to discuss. This thread is obviously not the place to do that.
Everyone has what they feel is their own truths and ways of living. There must be uplifting practices, rituals or community involvement activities which would unite you with others who think the same way? Then it wouldn't always be a negative outcome making one feel as if they always are defending their views.
There are others who think the same way but they usually become Baha’is. Most people either love the Baha’i Faith or they hate it, although there are some exceptions, people who say “oh, that’s nice.”
How can we unite with people who hate us and the religion we love? Just look at what people have said on this thread alone, and this is just one thread. It is open season on Baha’is everywhere on RF, and once hunting season is over on one thread they pack up their bags and move to another thread.
Don’t you even wonder why they do not attack other religions? Oh, they will have some more lies to tell you, that we are interpreting their religions and other religions don’t do that. The irony is that the only religious scripture the Baha’is interpret is the Bible and I do not see any Christians complaining about that, only Hindus. The Baha’is have cordial relationships with the Christians on this forum.
Yes, everyone has what they feel is their own truths and ways of living and they have a right to those, so what can’t people just leave the Baha’is alone to practice our own Faith?
Show me one Baha’i who tried to convince anyone they should change their religion. Another big fat lie is when we are accused of proselytizing. Proselytizing means trying to convince or convert people but there is no evidence any Baha’is are trying to do that. It is disgraceful when people lie outright and I will point it out when the lie involves me or my religion. How would you like it is a gang of people came around and said that atheists are doing x, when you know you are not doing x? This is unjust.
Idk, it just seems a waste of time trying to convince strangers who do not think the religion is something they should be interested in. Especially if it becomes upsetting to you.
I am not trying to convince anyone that my religion is something they should be interested in. It’s kind of funny, because some atheists I have had lengthy dialogues with have asked me why I am not trying to convince them, because they think that is my job. I told them that if people are interested they have to do their own independent investigation. I can point them towards the resources but I cannot do their homework.
What upsets me is when people continually misrepresent me and the Baha’i Faith, but I am done defending myself and my Faith from these people. Nothing I say will make any difference, because they are convinced they are right about my religion.By contrast, I do not go around saying I know everything about their religion.
Another lie they perpetrate is that Baha’is think their religion is superior and better than the other religions. There is no evidence that Baha’is think their religion is superior; that is just the personal opinion of some people on this thread.
For the record, below is the “official Baha’i position” on homosexuality. People should argue against the official position rather than the straw man they construct.
Extracts from letters written by or on behalf of the Universal House of Justice:
As you know, Bahá'u'lláh has clearly forbidden the expression of sexual love between individuals of the same sex. However, the doors are open for all of humanity to enter the Cause of God, irrespective of their present circumstance; this invitation applies to homosexuals as well as to any others who are engaged in practices contrary to the Bahá'í teachings. Associated with this invitation is the expectation that all believers will make a sincere and persistent effort to eradicate those aspects of their conduct which are not in conformity with Divine Law. In the case of homosexuality, the Guardian has stated, in a letter written on his behalf on 26 March 1950, that "through the advice and help of doctors, through a strong and determined effort, and through prayer, a soul can overcome this handicap!"
Homosexuality
No doubt you will not agree with that statement, but do you see anything in that statement about homosexuals being treated as “carrying a spiritual contagion”as someone on this thread stated? I don’t. That is what I mean by twisting the truth.
