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Become a muslim in three days or die

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Well....A lot of people have died in the belief of their `Gods`,
or in the lack of beliefs, burning, beheading, drowning, or outright killing.
All about choosing the same `gods`, `Allah` or `God`, take your choice !
Funny thing is, the `gods`, in scripture, killed the most of them !
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
though the muslims there in seem to think it sufficient because they have no clue what the rest of the world has - insert here the frog in the well quote.

How do you know what Muslims think, have you been to where they are where they've expressed such views?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Well....A lot of people have died in the belief of their `Gods`,
or in the lack of beliefs, burning, beheading, drowning, or outright killing.
All about choosing the same `gods`, `Allah` or `God`, take your choice !
Funny thing is, the `gods`, in scripture, killed the most of them !

Oh how you grace us with such an "intelligent" post.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Epic,
Did you find that quote, was it correct in meaning ?
Maybe I misunderstood it, or did you forget ?
Oh well...wrong thread isn't it ?
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Also Eric,
I'm not too intelligent, but I can read the Quran and the Bible,
they tell me about how cruel the `gods` were, no intelligence needed !
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
At the end of the day, facts are facts. There is no going around the actual beliefs and texts of Muslims and of the Qur'an.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
No it is not true according to the Holy Quran which stipulates freedom of religion.

Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)

If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” (Quran 10:99)

According to God in the Quran, freedom of religion is accorded
all.

Corrupt leaders of religion however, over the ages have usurped Islam for themselves and used it for their own selfish purposes, in particular the Umayyads and Abbasids and their descendants ignoring the clear laws of the Quran and substituting man made hadiths to try and justify political conquests in the name of religion for their lust of power and wealth.

God has always promoted freedom of religion and tolerance but fanatic clergy have often preached against it making up their own laws for personal ambitions.
I agree with the contents of one's post.
Thanks and regards
 

ecco

Veteran Member
There’s a lot of misinformation on the internet.

In order to correct the misinformation on the internet, you post a link to a propaganda movie.

Do you really believe anyone is going to watch your film? Do you really believe anyone would be persuaded by it?

Perhaps you also believe that Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ got a lot of people to believe that stuff.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
It was Muhammad and the Muslims who were subject to barbaric treatment for 13 years once they began teaching there was only one God.

I doubt very much the Meccans did as much harm as you think. Muhammad was under the protection of a very powerful uncle (as indicated in the ahadith) which is why the persecution went on as long as it did - as opposed to the Meccans stopping Muhammad right away. Also; they didn't persecute him simply because he preached the worship of one god. Christians & Zoroastrians were welcome in pre-Islamic Mecca, after all. What the Meccans took exception too was Muhammad's habit of slandering their gods & beliefs (and by extension their ancestors who believed in those gods) as false - as well as baselessly claiming their main temple for his own upstart faith. In those days attacking the religion of a people was one of the most insidious ways to undermine their identity; it was much the same with the Romans & the Greeks.

Now imagine me, a non-Muslim, trying to slander Islam in Mecca today. I wouldn't last thirteen seconds, never mind thirteen years. For all these claims that the Quraysh were intolerant, they didn't bar the city to everyone who didn't share their religious views.


The Meccans murdered Muslim women and tortured and killed many Muslims when they refused to give up belief in one God.

I suspect if they were killed it would probably have been more to dissuade people from following Muhammad's example of undermining the identity of their own city. That said, I'm certain there was a fair amount of 'he's a treat to our power & prestige' motive in there too.


That’s all there was to it. It was vile, cruel religious persecution.

Issues are rarely that simple. Because they're the victors we've only ever heard Muslim accounts of the story so I'm certain there's more to this thing than we're being told.



After Abyssinia the Muslims went to Medina where there was a dispute between the ruling tribes and as Muhammad was able to reconcile them, they chose Him as their new leader and accepted Islam voluntarily.

This is partially true at best. Medina probably accepted Muhammad's leadership partly because he was the relative of the influential Banu Quraysh of Mecca, and partly because he was the latest strongman to show up with his own warband. On the subject of accepting Islam, the Banu Qurayza, by Muslim accounts, did not convert to Islam; indeed they would have rejected Muhammad's claim to being a prophet of their god as he was not a Jew. This is possibly the main cause of Muhammad's enmity towards them and the resulting mass-murder of their tribe's entire adult male population at his order; though naturally it was apparently ordered by Allah.


The Meccans sent out spies and were hunting Muslims with intent to commit genocide and wipe them out completely.

Muhammad had Medina protected but the Meccans were always close by trying to find ways to murder and kill the Muslims. It was a war by the Meccans against religious freedom.

You make it sound as though the Quraysh were completely unprovoked which doesn't even match with what Muslims have to say on the matter. The real reason the Quraysh were after Muhammad is his followers had started raiding their trade caravans - further threatening their power, wealth and the prosperity of Mecca. The early Muslims were, in effect, bandits, highwaymen and thieves (link is to an Islamic scholarly interpretation that says once they gained political power it was acceptable for Muslims to start attacking others).



Muhammad never killed a soul. His character was impeccable.

He ordered the fighting-age men of the Banu Qurayza tribe of Jews to be put to the sword while the women and children were made slaves. If a leader gives an order to kill he is as culpable as the ones who did the deed. The truth is Muhammad's conduct in the matter was no different than any other barbarian warlord of the age.
 
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The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
No it is not true according to the Holy Quran which stipulates freedom of religion.

Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)

If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” (Quran 10:99)

You're taking those verses out of context ;)

/tongue in cheek
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
In order to correct the misinformation on the internet, you post a link to a propaganda movie.

Do you really believe anyone is going to watch your film? Do you really believe anyone would be persuaded by it?

Perhaps you also believe that Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ got a lot of people to believe that stuff.

My sources are first and foremost what God has stated through His Messengers in His Holy Books. If it agrees with what is written therein then it is true as God is All Knowing.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
You're taking those verses out of context ;)

/tongue in cheek

So you are a follower of Zoroastrian philosophy? I’m interested always to learn more and obtain more literature if you know of any because I’m a believer of Zoroaster too.

May good thoughts, good words and good deeds bless your life.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
My sources are first and foremost what God has stated through His Messengers in His Holy Books. If it agrees with what is written therein then it is true as God is All Knowing.
Uh huh. Show me one true believer in any religion who doesn't say essentially the same thing.
 
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