Become a muslim in three days or die

[`mud]

And as Epic says: babies are born knowing the existence of `Allah`, the possessor of all knowledge !
It's far beyond any realistic comprehension, beyond any imaginable entity, beyond any rational sanity !

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

So you are a follower of Zoroastrian philosophy? I’m interested always to learn more and obtain more literature if you know of any because I’m a believer of Zoroaster too.

May good thoughts, good words and good deeds bless your life.

If you don't have the Gathas you can pick it up on Amazon.

The same to you too.

 

[ecco]

Yes that’s true and others are free to make of it what they will and not accepting anything blindly but questioning things is a very good quality to possess.

A questioning mind learns if one is humble.

A questioning mind learns many things, like all people of every religion believe their religion is the only true religion. A questioning mind realizes that they can't all be right. A truly questioning mind realizes that none of them are.

 

[loverofhumanity]

A questioning mind learns many things, like all people of every religion believe their religion is the only true religion. A questioning mind realizes that they can't all be right. A truly questioning mind realizes that none of them are.

My understanding tells me all the major religions are from true that they each teach us to be good, pure and sincere. So I accept there is a golden thread of truth that runs through all Faiths.

When I reads the beautitudes of Christ or the Dhammapada of the Buddha or the Hidden Words of Baha’u’llah, I find they all teach goodness, sincerity and truth.

 

[ecco]

A questioning mind learns many things, like all people of every religion believe their religion is the only true religion. A questioning mind realizes that they can't all be right. A truly questioning mind realizes that none of them are.

My understanding tells me all the major religions are from true that they each teach us to be good, pure and sincere. So I accept there is a golden thread of truth that runs through all Faiths.

When I reads the beautitudes of Christ or the Dhammapada of the Buddha or the Hidden Words of Baha’u’llah, I find they all teach goodness, sincerity and truth.

But we aren't discussing some small part of their teachings. We are talking about beliefs and religions. I don't find secular books that teach badness, insincerity and the virtues of lying. All religions have different gods. All believers believe their version of god and their religion are the right one. As I said, a truly questioning mind realizes that none of them are.

 

[loverofhumanity]

But we aren't discussing some small part of their teachings. We are talking about beliefs and religions. I don't find secular books that teach badness, insincerity and the virtues of lying. All religions have different gods. All believers believe their version of god and their religion are the right one. As I said, a truly questioning mind realizes that none of them are.

Religions are usually divided into two parts. There are the spiritual virtues such as goodness, love, patience, tolerance and so on and then there are the social laws such as laws for marriage and punishments for murder, theft etc.

The social laws are only meant for that time. For instance in the desert where there are no jails, police, courts, judges or correction facilities punishments had to be harsh as they also had to address deter offenders without prisons. So the laws in the times of Moses and Muhammad were harsh.

However, as civilisation advance and developed now we are able to rehabilitate prisoners so in this age a new Messenger, Baha’u’llah, has appeared with laws suited to these times.

The problem is in trying to apply ancient laws to a modern age but for thise times they were needed.

 

[`mud]

Bigger bombs, better guns, higher profits.
Archaic religions, richer owners and poorer slaves !
Good luck for finding love and caring there !

 

[ecco]

Religions are usually divided into two parts. There are the spiritual virtues such as goodness, love, patience, tolerance and so on and then there are the social laws such as laws for marriage and punishments for murder, theft etc.

The social laws are only meant for that time. For instance in the desert where there are no jails, police, courts, judges or correction facilities punishments had to be harsh as they also had to address deter offenders without prisons. So the laws in the times of Moses and Muhammad were harsh.

However, as civilisation advance and developed now we are able to rehabilitate prisoners so in this age a new Messenger, Baha’u’llah, has appeared with laws suited to these times.

The problem is in trying to apply ancient laws to a modern age but for thise times they were needed.

I'm not trying to apply ancient laws to a modern age. I'm just pointing out that all people believe their religion/god is the only true religion/god. A subject you have avoided commenting on.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I'm not trying to apply ancient laws to a modern age. I'm just pointing out that all people believe their religion/god is the only true religion/god. A subject you have avoided commenting on.

Apart from us Pagans. Hello!

waves

 

[paarsurrey]

If you don't have the Gathas you can pick it up on Amazon.

The same to you too.

I have read it and I appreciate it very much. I have also read Yasna. I think both are also available online.
Just for one's information, Cyrus-The Great is mentioned in Quran with the title name of Zul-Qarnain.
Both Zoroaster and Zul-Qarnain* are prophets/messenger of G-d as per Ahmadiyya peaceful Islam to which I belong.

Regards
___________
*Zul-Qarnain
[18:84] to [18:99]
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 18: Al-Kahf

 

[paarsurrey]

My understanding tells me all the major religions are from true that they each teach us to be good, pure and sincere. So I accept there is a golden thread of truth that runs through all Faiths.

When I reads the beautitudes of Christ or the Dhammapada of the Buddha or the Hidden Words of Baha’u’llah, I find they all teach goodness, sincerity and truth.

"Hidden Words of Baha’u’llah" Unquote.
Is it a core book of Bahaullah and he named it as such, please?

I agree with the contents of one's post except about the titles of Bahaullah.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Religions are usually divided into two parts. There are the spiritual virtues such as goodness, love, patience, tolerance and so on and then there are the social laws such as laws for marriage and punishments for murder, theft etc.

The social laws are only meant for that time. For instance in the desert where there are no jails, police, courts, judges or correction facilities punishments had to be harsh as they also had to address deter offenders without prisons. So the laws in the times of Moses and Muhammad were harsh.

However, as civilisation advance and developed now we are able to rehabilitate prisoners so in this age a new Messenger, Baha’u’llah, has appeared with laws suited to these times.

The problem is in trying to apply ancient laws to a modern age but for thise times they were needed.

"in this age a new Messenger, Baha’u’llah" Unquote.
Sorry, I don't agree that Bahaullah is a new messenger appointed by G-d.

Regards

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Do you really believe anyone is going to watch your film? Do you really believe anyone would be persuaded by it?

The Movie was made before people became so skeptical.

It was made with the attempt of telling the true story. It was embraced by Muslims of that day as being an accurate portrayal.

The fact no actor could play the part of the Messenger, shows in itslef that the intent was to be true to the history of the Islam Faith.

Regards Tony

 

[robocop (actually)]

Is it true in islam if you change from islam away and dont go back in three days, they kill you?

In some countries I believe so, but not likely in America.

 

[paarsurrey]

Religions are usually divided into two parts. There are the spiritual virtues such as goodness, love, patience, tolerance and so on and then there are the social laws such as laws for marriage and punishments for murder, theft etc.

The social laws are only meant for that time. For instance in the desert where there are no jails, police, courts, judges or correction facilities punishments had to be harsh as they also had to address deter offenders without prisons. So the laws in the times of Moses and Muhammad were harsh.

However, as civilisation advance and developed now we are able to rehabilitate prisoners so in this age a new Messenger, Baha’u’llah, has appeared with laws suited to these times.

The problem is in trying to apply ancient laws to a modern age but for thise times they were needed.

"The social laws are only meant for that time. For instance in the desert where there are no jails, police, courts, judges or correction facilities punishments had to be harsh as they also had to address deter offenders without prisons. So the laws in the times of Moses and Muhammad were harsh." Unquote.

I appreciate one's understanding of the phenomena.
When the society changes from the tribal to the democratic one with a set of laws under a definite constitution, then the social laws mentioned in Quran are governed by the state, not by the religion as the purpose of religion is not to amass authority. This is mentioned in Quran:
[4:60]
O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority among you. And if you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you are believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is best and most commendable in the end.

The Holy Quran - Chapter: 4: Al-Nisa'
In a tribal society G-d's Messenger and the head of the government (social authority) is , if in the same person, then the social code of the book is applicable, and in tribal circumstances it is not harsh but most appropriate else it will be lawlessness.
In a democratic set up under a constitution, church/religion and state become different, so that authority in social/secular matters is relegated to the state as mentioned in Quran. The purpose is to the society is not left in lawlessness and chaos.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Religions are usually divided into two parts. There are the spiritual virtues such as goodness, love, patience, tolerance and so on and then there are the social laws such as laws for marriage and punishments for murder, theft etc.

The social laws are only meant for that time. For instance in the desert where there are no jails, police, courts, judges or correction facilities punishments had to be harsh as they also had to address deter offenders without prisons. So the laws in the times of Moses and Muhammad were harsh.

However, as civilisation advance and developed now we are able to rehabilitate prisoners so in this age a new Messenger, Baha’u’llah, has appeared with laws suited to these times.

The problem is in trying to apply ancient laws to a modern age but for thise times they were needed.

"However, as civilisation advance and developed now we are able to rehabilitate prisoners so in this age a new Messenger, Baha’u’llah, has appeared with laws suited to these times." Unquote.

Now it is about 125 years after the death of Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí so the times has since changed.
Has there been a new Messenger these days so that the laws of Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí as confirmed though not written/authored by him in "al-Kitab al- Aqdas" to make the book redundant, please?

Regards

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I have read it and I appreciate it very much. I have also read Yasna. I think both are also available online.
Just for one's information, Cyrus-The Great is mentioned in Quran with the title name of Zul-Qarnain.
Both Zoroaster and Zul-Qarnain* are prophets/messenger of G-d as per Ahmadiyya peaceful Islam to which I belong.

Regards
___________
*Zul-Qarnain
[18:84] to [18:99]
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 18: Al-Kahf

Yes, we are well aware your sect attempts to shoehorn in the prophets of other religions while implying they taught what you believe even when the texts they produce show quite the opposite.

We do not need to be reminded, thank you.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, we are well aware your sect attempts to shoehorn in the prophets of other religions while implying they taught what you believe even when the texts they produce show quite the opposite.

We do not need to be reminded, thank you.

Humanity doea not need to shoehorn God into all Faiths, Baha'u'llah has comfirmed God is the Source and has said;

"...Thus should ye regard all Our Names, if ye be endued with insight."

Regards Tony

 

[ecco]

The Movie was made before people became so skeptical.

People have been skeptical long before there were movies. Movies just became another propaganda vehicle.

It was made with the attempt of telling the true story. It was embraced by Muslims of that day as being an accurate portrayal.

It was made as a religious propaganda film just as Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ was made as a religious propaganda film. It was embraced by some Christians as being an accurate portrayal.

The fact no actor could play the part of the Messenger, shows in itslef that the intent was to be true to the history of the Islam Faith.

Nonsense. If they had an actor portray Mohammed, the film would have been banned in every Muslim Country. Furthermore, the actor, directors and producers would have been put on fatwas.

List of fatwas - Wikipedia

In 1991, Rushdie's Japanese translator, Hitoshi Igarashi, was stabbed to death in Tokyo, and his Italian translator was beaten and stabbed in Milan. In 1993, Rushdie's Norwegian publisher William Nygaard was shot and severely injured in an attack outside his house in Oslo. Thirty-seven guests died when their hotel in Sivas, Turkey was torched by locals protesting against Aziz Nesin, Rushdie's Turkish translator.​

In February 2016, in celebration of the anniversary of the fatwa against Rushdie, Iranian state-run median agencies added $300,000 to the estimated $3.3 Million bounty for the death of Rushdie.​

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Humanity doea not need to shoehorn God into all Faiths, Baha'u'llah has comfirmed God is the Source and has said;

"...Thus should ye regard all Our Names, if ye be endued with insight."

Regards Tony

Baha'u'llah's words have no value to me or indeed to anyone who is not Bahai.

Claiming that the likes of Zoroaster and Muhammad worshipped the same god is ludicrous; the two are portrayed in such starkly different terms that it is impossible for a discerning person to recognise them as the same being.