Being "transgender" is a form of gender stereotyping.

[Revoltingest]

Here's the engineer's perspective......
Have some difficulty which is making life miserable?
Fix the problem.
Solutions will vary with the individual.
Theory & religion shouldn't stand in the way.
So if a trans person (still wanna say "tranny" cuz it's so cute & friendly) really wants to change,
& there is a history of that solution working better than others, then go with what works.

 

[1137]

Just think about it for a minute: There is a "treatment" mechanism. I do not think that it is really the same as a classical mental disorder that has to be managed with varying counseling and psychiatric techniques in the case of gender dysphoria, but you are basically suggesting that we stick our heads in the sand and ignore what would actually constitute a treatment because...our sense of gender identity is offended? That just seems silly. And cruel.

You don't think pretending you're the opposite sex is a psychiatric technique? I don't think you should bury your head in the sand just like I don't think I should with depression or people should with any mental disorder. But I'm also not suggesting a course of therapy, because I simply don't know one. But therapies will arise faster if we start working for them instead of egging on a disorder.

 

[1137]

On a side note, and in all fairness, the DSMs are often questionable at best. Very controversial "info".

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

Its all a grand scheme perpetrated by that government that unfortunately certain people buy into.

 

[1137]

Its all a grand scheme perpetrated by that government that unfortunately certain people buy into.

Sound a little tin foil hat.

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

Sound a little tin foil hat.

Possibly, but to each their own.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You don't think pretending you're the opposite sex is a psychiatric technique?

I'm not pretending. Even many of those who know me, even before accepting myself, have seen many feminine traits and qualities in me. It's never been unusual at all for someone to express that I am not the typical guy, or they are surprised I like things that women are typically more drawn to.

Its all a grand scheme perpetrated by that government that unfortunately certain people buy into.

What scheme?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You'll have data, correct, to back up the assertion. I'm not talking about homosexual conversion therapy, or adult gender dysphoria conversion. Data that specifically say child gender dysphoria therapy doesn't work and causes harm.

It's considered normal for children to go through phases. They usually aren't long lived, and most of the time it isn't actually gender dysphoria.

Of course not. What I said was that Zucker, the Dr. in the article was chosen to be the chair of the workgroup on Sexual and Gender disorders for the DSM-V. There needs to be credible reason to believe that a respected clinician specializing in child gender dysphoria is incorrect in his diagnoses.

Just because the APA chose him doesn't mean that others, including psychologists and psychiatrists, agree with the decision. There was a major uproar over the approach over at least gender dysphoria and autism in V. Many clinicians were distraught over the APA lumping Asperger's into what became one large autistic spectrum.

"Overall, current evidence is insufficient to label gender dysphoria without a disorder of sex development as a form of intersexuality limited to the central nervous system."

There have been examininations which have shown transsexuals have a brain that more resembles their identified gender rather than birth sex.

Show where the APA has condemned Dr. Zucker's therapy, please so I can consider it. I don't imagine that they'd have on a condemned therapist as the chair for alterations in the area he is being condemned in, but if so I'd like to know.

Not him, specifically, but reparative therapy as a whole.

Then, you've seen him in therapy? You've read his article detailing his practices? I haven't done either.

I've never seen him, but I've read and seen in interviews many who do disagree with the approaches utilized by him, and those like him.
If I child has gender dysphoria, it isn't going away. However, phases of wanting to be the other sex do happen, and those do go away on their own.

 

[1137]

I'm not pretending. Even many of those who know me, even before accepting myself, have seen many feminine traits and qualities in me. It's never been unusual at all for someone to express that I am not the typical guy, or they are surprised I like things that women are typically more drawn to.

Feminine traits, can't be a man if you're too "feminine"... Yeah, this isn't about gender stereotyping at all. I'm skinny, cry in movies, have never had muscle, prefer a romantic night out to partying... I've been putting the wrong sex on forms all these years.

 

[Revoltingest]

Its all a grand scheme perpetrated by that government that unfortunately certain people buy into.

You're thinking of global warming.
That's one conspiracy which inadvertently turned out to have merit....yes, government is that incompetent.

 

[oldbadger]

Abnormal ain't so bad.
Perhaps those of us who are should embrace the word.

Yes.......
Who the Hell is normal?
Well, my courting tackle wasn't normal before, but it sure as hell isn't normal now....... not after that surgeon monster hacked great lumps off it.
Looking at it mathematically, I reckon I'm about 2/3rds bloke now........ unless of course they decide that they didn't hack enough off before.

How about this for normal........
Because I snore so much I sleep the other way round to my wife, kind of top 'n' tail in the same bed.
Bloody brilliant.

 

[FollowerOfTheLord]

You're thinking of global warming.
That's one conspiracy which inadvertently turned out to have merit....yes, government is that incompetent.

There is a lot of things that hold true, it just takes people who are willing to do some research, and think outside of the box.

 

[Mister Emu]

It's considered normal for children to go through phases. They usually aren't long lived, and most of the time it isn't actually gender dysphoria

If I child has gender dysphoria, it isn't going away. However, phases of wanting to be the other sex do happen, and those do go away on their own.

This seems a situation of having a conclusion and interpreting information to suit that conclusion.

There have been examininations which have shown transsexuals have a brain that more resembles their identified gender rather than birth sex.

Yes. Yet, it still goes beyond evidence to say it is caused solely by brain differences.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Of course not.
But in the plural............ all over the internet. :-

Don't tell me............. tell them.....?

Well, someone should tell them.

It might be a horrible situation for you........... but for those who say 'This is me. This is who I am. This is my life.' And then go out there and live it......... yes, I call that bravery and confidence.

Well, good for them.

You wrotre :-

Normal?
NORMAL?
What exactly is 'normal'?
If I heard a person call anybody ABNORMAL because of their sexuality I would challenge them immediately.
And if you were a 'normal male', how would you treat Transgenders, Intersexuals and Transexuals?

I mean have an XX chromosomal male body, in other words to have my brain sex and the rest of my body to match. I hate having transsexualism.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You can't talk away depression or pain either, so we should just encourage them? Lol.

No, you treat it with therapy and medication. You treat sex dysphoria with hormone therapy and surgery. Get it?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Then, you've seen him in therapy? You've read his article detailing his practices? I haven't done either.

Did you even bother to read what I posted? I'm guessing not.

Being respected by his scientific peers is heavy evidence against him being a "quack".

What "scientific peers"? Psychology is very questionable as a field of science. I would not send my child with GID to a psychologist, personally. They would go to a psychiatrist and a physician knowledgeable about transsexualism for care. I've dealt with a psychologist for therapy before and he was an idiot. I quickly dumped him. I didn't get good mental health care until I started seeing my psychiatric nurse practitioner. She put me on the correct antidepressant and wrote my letter approving me for testosterone therapy. It's unfortunate that my niece is going for a doctorate in clinical psychology. She should dump that crap and become a psychiatrist instead.

 

[Maponos]

Men are generally masculine and women are generally feminine (both aren't monolithic identities either). Being male, I generally think different and behave differently than most women. Gender stereotypes exist for a reason because most of us are examples of them. It's just how we are.

Transgender people, if anything, show that there is more to gender than what the 'social construct' people want to believe.

 

[1137]

Men are generally masculine and women are generally feminine (both aren't monolithic identities either). Being male, I generally think different and behave differently than most women. Gender stereotypes exist for a reason because most of us are examples of them. It's just how we are.

Transgender people, if anything, show that there is more to gender than what the 'social construct' people want to believe.

How? They hold to the exact same social constructs as the culture, encourage them even.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Feminine traits, can't be a man if you're too "feminine"... Yeah, this isn't about gender stereotyping at all. I'm skinny, cry in movies, have never had muscle, prefer a romantic night out to partying... I've been putting the wrong sex on forms all these years.

But, can you tolerate seeing a male staring back when you look in the mirror? Does being male feel hollow and empty to you, and that every day you are doing nothing more than going through with the motions? Does being male cause you a great deal of distress? Have you spent years yearning to live as female?
How would you feel if someone did call you a woman? How do you feel when people call you a man?
Having feminine traits doesn't automatically mean you are female, or even identify as female.
And, no, it's not about gender stereotyping because, no matter how masculine or feminine you act, the brain has a gender, and for some of us it does not match the sex we were born as.

This seems a situation of having a conclusion and interpreting information to suit that conclusion.

No. I've that read in several books. It's not my own thoughts, but the words of others who have studied the subject.

Yes. Yet, it still goes beyond evidence to say it is caused solely by brain differences.

There was on study, it's been awhile so ago so I don't remember the specifics, but there about half of the subjects, who are trans, had a certain trait, I think it was genetic.
No, it's not known exactly, but it does seem to be something that is internally hardwired. And the brain does, very most likely, play a tremendous role in it because the brain itself does have a gender.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How? They hold to the exact same social constructs as the culture, encourage them even.

Because we so very clearly fall outside of the "normal" female/male binary. There are actually many different types of people who do, but transsexuals demonstrate that gender is internally hard wired. Social constructs may be that men and women wear different styles of jeans, but it is the internalized identity that drives an individual towards either side, or in some cases both or neither, or even other genders all together.