Biblical Archaeology.

[fallingblood]

The way you are using archaeology is proving nothing though. Why do you keep ignoring what I say?

 

[Luminous]

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[mickiel]

The way you are using archaeology is proving nothing though. Why do you keep ignoring what I say?

Its proving nothing to you.

Its proved plenty to me.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

When the ancient city of "Lagash" was unearthed, we discovered a wide array of things. Archaeologist have learned to consider everything that is found, in detail. From doing this, they learned that Lagash had a battle with its rival neighbor, the city-state of " Umma." They found the weapons used in this battle. Chariots, sling stones, bows and arrows, bronze spearheads. They compared them with the weapons listed in the bible and found exact coverage. Ps.68:30, Gen.49:23, Jer. 4:29, they even found records of " early War machines" and the bible confirmed those too, Chron.26:15;Ezk. 26:9.

The bible is fastly becomming a favorite research tool in Archaeology, they have learned that its record is " Invaluable in this feild."

Peace.

 

[gnostic]

Sorry, Mickiel, but bronze spearheads, the use of bow and arrows were common throughout the Bronze Age in much of the Middle East. You have to be more specific than that.

And the bible's passages make no reference to the city-states of either Lagash and Umma. Your argument would have been convincing if had mention these cities by names and actually speak of this war you are referring to do. They don't.

You have mention a battle that has no place in your bible. The conflict between Umma and Lagash had ended over a thousand years before the 1st of biblical book being written. You have mentioned weapons used in that battle, but you are over-generalisation because these weapons have been used long before any of the books were ever written. And by the time of Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the writings of the Chronicles, bronze weapons were less common in use.

So you still have zilch evidence that prove the bible being true.

The question is, why you even bring up the conflict between Lagash and Umma in the 1st place? Because it is clearly unrelated to all the sources you have cited.

 

[mickiel]

And the bible's passages make no reference to the city-states of either Lagash and Umma. Your argument would have been convincing if had mention these cities by names and actually speak of this war you are referring to do. They don't.

You have mention a battle that has no place in your bible. The conflict between Umma and Lagash had ended over a thousand years before the 1st of biblical book being written. You have mentioned weapons used in that battle, but you are over-generalisation because these weapons have been used long before any of the books were ever written. And by the time of Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the writings of the Chronicles, bronze weapons were less common in use.

So you still have zilch evidence that prove the bible being true.

The question is, why you even bring up the conflict between Lagash and Umma in the 1st place? Because it is clearly unrelated to all the sources you have cited.

Well I never said that this battle is listed in the bible, it is not that I know of. My post was on how Archaeologist used the " Weapons found in Lagash", compares with the weapons listed in the bible, that was my point. And I gave a few scriptures that show these weapons being used.

The evidence is that the bible list those weapons found by Archaeology, and that is significant.

But you make good points, which make for good arguement, and I am refreshed and honored by that, and dissapointed by the lack of it here.

Good post.

Peace.

 

[gnostic]

Well I never said that this battle is listed in the bible, it is not that I know of. My post was on how Archaeologist used the " Weapons found in Lagash", compares with the weapons listed in the bible, that was my point. And I gave a few scriptures that show these weapons being used.

Big deal!

There were a lot more in my post than just Lagash.

It prove nothing. As I stated in my post. The bible description of weapons are far too "general". It doesn't describe the weapon being used. It simply call it "bow" or "arrows". Bow and arrows were used as far back as the early Neolithic period, where fragments of a bow were found. There were all sort of different type of bow being made (simple bow, back-bow, composite bow, etc), and the bible doesn't give that too. If the bible had actually describe what types (eg. shapes, size or metal) of arrows or spearpoints being used, or what were used to make the bow or chariot, then I would take your post (#244) more seriously, but none of the passages you have cited give us such information.

Just because weapons were found in the Lagash, doesn't in anyway prove the bible being historical accurate, because many different were being made throughout their history.

No archaeologists would take you seriously if you brought such argument up about the bible. They would only laugh at your pitiful attempt.

 

[mickiel]

Big deal!

There were a lot more in my post than just Lagash.

It prove nothing. As I stated in my post. The bible description of weapons are far too "general". It doesn't describe the weapon being used. It simply call it "bow" or "arrows". Bow and arrows were used as far back as the early Neolithic period, where fragments of a bow were found. There were all sort of different type of bow being made (simple bow, back-bow, composite bow, etc), and the bible doesn't give that too. If the bible had actually describe what types (eg. shapes, size or metal) of arrows or spearpoints being used, or what were used to make the bow or chariot, then I would take your post (#244) more seriously, but none of the passages you have cited give us such information.

Just because weapons were found in the Lagash, doesn't in anyway prove the bible being historical accurate, because many different were being made throughout their history.

No archaeologists would take you seriously if you brought such argument up about the bible. They would only laugh at your pitiful attempt.

Well I disagree. We can track " Metallurgy" , the technique used to make those weapons through the bible. The earliest mention of metals in the bible is in reference to " Tubal-Cain", Gen.4:22" An instructor skilled in every working method with copper and Iron." Copper can be dated as early as 4500 B.C. With its introduction in the Stone Age, mans way of life changed complettely, like ours from the horse and buggy days to the automobile.

Many scholars accept the book of Job as the oldest in the world, and in it is recorded the fact that metal is dug out of the earth, Job 28:1-2. This is significant, the bible is on track with these metals. Gold is mentioned in Gen. 2:11,12; Silver in Gen.44:2, Lead in Exodus 15:10, Tin in Numbers 31:22 and Iron in Num. 35:16. " Dross" was freed from the Metals by fire in Ezk. 22:17-22. Clay was used for molding hot metal in 1Kings 7:46, all right on time with early biblical history. To the trained eye, this is very significant in the development of weapons in our history. But it has to be peiced together by study to see this vital flow in history, something you perhaps are not willing to do.

Iron was in commerce about the period of Moses, during Sauls reign ( 1025) the Philistines were skilled blacksmiths and controlled the industry in Palestine, this is shown in 1Sam. 13:19-23. Blacksmiths were so valuable they were listed amoung those who were taken captive as prisioners, 2Kings 24:14. The comparitive value of metal is noted in Isaiah 60:17 and by Daniel 2:31-32. It had an extensive commerical value in Ezekiels day, 27:12. All this can be tracked biblical, rendering this book the bible as a fine historical docuement, a light you refuse to see because of obvious predujice, but historians and Archaeoligist can ill afford such predujice if they seek accuracy.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Using the history we have unearthed, we can find in the bible and Archaeology a unique dovetail. We can use how things were built to prove the bibles dovetail with our construction history. We can use Pottery, Business practices of the time will match those business practices shown in the Bible. We can use Writting, Government, Metallurgy, War and Weapons, Homes and Family life, Music and Sports, Morals and Religion, Sickness, Medicines and even Death to show how all these things can be used in Biblical Archaeology.

And I am going to go into examples of each one to show you what I mean.

Peace.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Well I disagree. We can track " Metallurgy" , the technique used to make those weapons through the bible. The earliest mention of metals in the bible is in reference to " Tubal-Cain", Gen.4:22" An instructor skilled in every working method with copper and Iron." Copper can be dated as early as 4500 B.C. With its introduction in the Stone Age, mans way of life changed complettely, like ours from the horse and buggy days to the automobile.

Many scholars accept the book of Job as the oldest in the world, and in it is recorded the fact that metal is dug out of the earth, Job 28:1-2. This is significant, the bible is on track with these metals. Gold is mentioned in Gen. 2:11,12; Silver in Gen.44:2, Lead in Exodus 15:10, Tin in Numbers 31:22 and Iron in Num. 35:16. " Dross" was freed from the Metals by fire in Ezk. 22:17-22. Clay was used for molding hot metal in 1Kings 7:46, all right on time with early biblical history. To the trained eye, this is very significant in the development of weapons in our history. But it has to be peiced together by study to see this vital flow in history, something you perhaps are not willing to do.

Iron was in commerce about the period of Moses, during Sauls reign ( 1025) the Philistines were skilled blacksmiths and controlled the industry in Palestine, this is shown in 1Sam. 13:19-23. Blacksmiths were so valuable they were listed amoung those who were taken captive as prisioners, 2Kings 24:14. The comparitive value of metal is noted in Isaiah 60:17 and by Daniel 2:31-32. It had an extensive commerical value in Ezekiels day, 27:12. All this can be tracked biblical, rendering this book the bible as a fine historical docuement, a light you refuse to see because of obvious predujice, but historians and Archaeoligist can ill afford such predujice if they seek accuracy.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Buildings help us understand our past, how we once constructed things. Archaeoligist unearthed the " Palace at Kish", the pillars, walls and steps of a once beautiful Kingdom Palace were discovered. The extensive ruins indicate that this King was very cultured and wealthy. Items found were artistic, and the pillars and walls were richly decorated with varied animal figures. One Archaeological feature was the "true Arch."

We can use these finds to determine the technology of the era, the building techniques, the culture of the King, the religions and gods worshipped, what " Maps" were being used, what metals and what was being written. Any other find that co-incides with these features, validate the findings as accurate in each chundra.

And as is so often being discoverted by Archaeology, the Bible continues to coincide with history past.

Peace.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Buildings help us understand our past, how we once constructed things. Archaeoligist unearthed the " Palace at Kish", the pillars, walls and steps of a once beautiful Kingdom Palace were discovered. The extensive ruins indicate that this King was very cultured and wealthy. Items found were artistic, and the pillars and walls were richly decorated with varied animal figures. One Archaeological feature was the "true Arch."

We can use these finds to determine the technology of the era, the building techniques, the culture of the King, the religions and gods worshipped, what " Maps" were being used, what metals and what was being written. Any other find that co-incides with these features, validate the findings as accurate in each chundra.

And as is so often being discoverted by Archaeology, the Bible continues to coincide with history past.

Then show us archeological evidence of a global flood, the sermon on the mount, the resurrection and the tower of Babel.

 

[mickiel]

Pottery was mans first invention and became his leading industry. Bowls, vases, jars, lamps, ect... were crudely fashioned by hand. Later came the potters wheel, which was usually turned by the potter himself as he shaped the soft clay. " Mass production" came when the small wheel was placed on a larger one. The potters wheels are alluded to by Jeremiah in 18:3. The " Foot-tread" appeared on the potters wheel a few centuries before Christ, and is a common sight in the holy land today. Even the ancient Babylonians developed the art of pottery.

Eventually the potter began to sign and date their work, or draw pictures depicting the practices of the time on the pottery. This has helped Archaeologist a great deal in their work. Even ancient Egypt had pottery. And the bible mentions it a great deal.

Peace.

 

[fallingblood]

Its proving nothing to you.

Its proved plenty to me.

Peace.

It's proving nothing to the majority of people here. You are doing nothing more than really stretching the facts to try to support an idea you already have. Yet, as has been said over and over again, by the logic you are using one could also prove that Harry Potter is a historical book, or that even something like the Lord of the Rings or Narnia were historical books.

 

[gnostic]

Using the history we have unearthed, we can find in the bible and Archaeology a unique dovetail. We can use how things were built to prove the bibles dovetail with our construction history. We can use Pottery, Business practices of the time will match those business practices shown in the Bible. We can use Writting, Government, Metallurgy, War and Weapons, Homes and Family life, Music and Sports, Morals and Religion, Sickness, Medicines and even Death to show how all these things can be used in Biblical Archaeology.

And I am going to go into examples of each one to show you what I mean.

Now this is what I call, "scary".

I don't think I can read any more or even look at this thread any more. :cover:

It's so embarrassing.

The level of ignorance in regards to archaeology is staggering.

You keep bringing up archaeological events up, which are apples, but whenever you attempt to link such events to the bible, all you are showing us are chickens, mickiel. Apples can never equal chickens. Admittedly they are both tasty, but they are totally unrelated.

You have not any point in this thread of yours, shown how they are related.

Who taught you this, mickiel? Because of I am of mind to smack your teacher in the head. :slap:

:thud:

 

[mickiel]

I don't think I can read any more or even look at this thread any more. :cover:

You'll be missing an awful lot, I suggest you continue as you have, reading with intrest.

I am about the business of properly dealing with this immense subject. Early civilized man was businesslike. Jabel, Gen.4:20, saw the value of animal husbandry measured in terms of oxen, sheep, cattle and hides. This is where our business sense came from. Cain, the builder, knew how to barter for needed materials. Those whose livelihood was gained from the soil used grain and cooking utensils as units of price. Nothing proves better the intellectual and business ability of early man than his business records, and Archaeology provides the picture of that.

Our early finds show that recessions and depressions were practically unknown. The ancient Assyrians devised the first drafts or checks- clay tablets which stated what each was worth in Silver. Even charging intrest at the rate of 20% and giving loans. Fragments of clay which served as stamps tell us of a postal system between Canaan and Babylonia, two great biblical citys. And land trade routes that extended from the Mediterranean to Babylon.

And I want to go into " Writing" in Archaeology.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Writing became an early art, its first form was painted pictures and symbols. Man then invented
" The Printing Press"- a cylinder seal. It is of intrest to note that the Bible was the first book ever printed. The Archaeologist has to have an eye for symbols used to indentify cities, gods, persons and events. Early writing was no doubt in the form of " Marks", or symbols. It has been suggested that writing began when God put a " Mark" on Abel in Gen. 4:15. Nobody knows what this mark was, so this is speculation, yet many I speak with agree writing began here. I am not sure myself.

Mesopotamia has given our history of writing a great boost, perhaps a greater impact than any other nation. From these people came the " Sexagesimal system", which divides the circle into 360, the hour into 60 minutes and the minute into 60 seconds.

Through writing we began to see the formation of Maps, archives, dictionarys, lexicons, grammars, commentaries, encycopedias, and these led to works on religion, law, medicine and science. Writing helped to burst open the influx of human knowledge. And in Archaeology, when we find written material, it is valued.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Critics of the bible are simular to satan- they never sleep, Matt. 13:24-25. They pounce on everything in the biblical path. You can give 500 pages of evidence, and they will complian about what you have not given. King Ahab is a definte biblical characther, 1Kings 17:1, and he built a palace of " Ivory". Astoundingly we found that Palace, its entrance paved with Ivory, just as the bible described!

Hezekiah, realizing the need for water, had his men dig a conduit from the spring of " Gihon" to the " Pool of Siloam." We have found BOTH of these sites, both of them! Archaeologist even unearthed " Hezekiahs Inscription", which describes the digging in Hebrew language.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

After Acts 26, Paul set sail for Rome from Caesarea, made stops in Myra in Asia Minor, Lasea on the island of Crete, at Malta, Syracuse in Sicily, and then finally arrived at Puteoli, below Naples. These all were real cities and the bible records each stop Paul made.

From there on foot he passed through the villiage of " Appii", where he was met by believers who had come from Rome to greet him. Acts 27, 28th chapters.

Archaeologist have discovered the city of Appii.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Government is important in Archaeology, through " Digging up" we can actually piece together by records the ancient forms of Government. Records from clay tablets, looking into their laws and cultures along with legal codes, we can have an accurate picture of the past.

This is one way we discovered how accurate the bible is, what we have found, matches equally with what is recorded in the bible. Laws related to property rights, rights of children and divorce, taxes and marriage rights, all co-inciding with the bible.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.