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Buffalo Killer was a self described Leftist and Green Nationalist

KW

Well-Known Member
Sorry, wrong. Yours is "one man's opinion". That is what people that have studied the issue have found. The left/right spectrum is simply wrong because it does not take into account the authoritarian/anarchy spectrum.


Political science departments worldwide are 90% leftist.

You can create any chart you want.

To claim that fascism is the opposite of totalitarian communism is clearly a politically motiviated farce. They are nearly identical.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Political science departments worldwide are 90% leftist.

You can create any chart you want.

To claim that fascism is the opposite of totalitarian communism is clearly a politically motiviated farce. They are nearly identical.
No, in fascism there will still be a wide range of wealth amounts. In communism it is only the rulers that tend to have wealth and power. The people all tend to be fairly poor.

Capitalism still exists in fascist societies. They are no more "socialist" than North Korea is "democratic".

Your mistake is in assuming that those in the middle are "leftist" That is because your extreme right ideology blinds you to the full range of the political compass.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
"The shooter is an 18-year-old white supremacist from rural New York. His semi-automatic rifle was emblazoned with the n-word as well as the names of notorious white terrorists: Anders Breivik (Norway, 2011), Dylann Roof (Charleston, 2015), Robert Bowers (Pittsburgh, 2018), Brenton Tarrant (New Zealand, 2019) and John Earnest (El Paso, 2019)."

"Collins wrote that, “the manifesto includes dozens of pages of antisemitic and racist memes, repeatedly citing the racist ‘great replacement’ conspiracy theory frequently pushed by white supremacists, which falsely claims white people are being ‘replaced’ in America as part of an elaborate Jewish conspiracy theory. Other memes use tropes and discredited data to denigrate the intelligence of nonwhite people.”

Doesn't sound very left wing to me.

The three-legged stool of the Republican Party
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I'll accept that this somewhat dubious source is telling the truth ... That makes it ok then.

How about controlling guns instead.
Wasn't there that famous actor pushing for free access to guns? Things haven't gotten better since then have they?
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I think his primary driving force was apparently racism and nazism. But yeah politically he does seem to have been something of a socialist and even communistic.

I would say he definitely doesn't represent the American conservative because his hatred of Christainity; not to mention his racism.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
This guy is a vicious, angry, violent racist and murderer. That screams MAGA. If he calls himself liberal, he doesn't know what the word means. If he says he hates Fox News, it's not because they're conservative liars.

And why should the Democrats be ashamed of anything they do to the Republicans. It is impossible to be unfair to the Republicans.

As usual, I don't believe this claim (do MAGA ever stop lying?), but as with the stealing of the election lie, do those people feel that patriotic Americans should object if it were true? If I knew for a fact that the election had been stolen from Trump, I would give a standing ovation to the protectors of democracy, which may seem a little convoluted - stealing elections to preserve fair elections - but sometimes one must be intolerant of the intolerant to defend the tolerant from the intolerant. Let these people prevail and they will steal your country from you and institute an authoritarian regime right out of Handmaid's Tale and 1984.

If the Democrats can lie, steal, or do anything else that hurts the Republicans, the act would have the same moral status as doing the same to Putin, to whom it is also impossible to be unfair. What could you do to Putin that could be called unfair or a reason to be ashamed? The Republicans have that same status. They are also enemies of America.

Classic liberalism is conservative. Maybe that's what he means. Outdated view though.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I think his primary driving force was apparently racism and nazism. But yeah politically he does seem to have been something of a socialist and even communistic.

I would say he definitely doesn't represent the American conservative because his hatred of Christainity; not to mention his racism.
Where do you get the socialist and communistic nonsense from? I looked for his manifesto until I read that Google had taken it down. That was actually the right thing to do. Ideally we would not even know this joker's name.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Who cares if he was conservative or liberal. He did an evil act that almost everyone on both sides agree is evil. Can we not at least come together and agree on this terrible event?
The OP is trying to smear almost everyone on the left due to what this apparently right wing-nut did. Very few Democrats, there may be a few, are trying to do the same to Republicans. That sort of smear is wrong no matter who does it.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
The OP is trying to smear almost everyone on the left due to what this apparently right wing-nut did. Very few Democrats, there may be a few, are trying to do the same to Republicans. That sort of smear is wrong no matter who does it.

The OP has doubled down on his right-wing rhetoric and personal dislike of liberals, despite the fact that verifiable information has been posted proving the shooter is conservative, not liberal. And his stubborn refusal to admit he's wrong only casts further doubt on his personal credibility. His doubling down, in my opinion, proves that his dislike of liberals and his desire to disparage them is more important to him than being honest. Personally, I think his refusal to admit he's wrong reflects badly on his reputation as a Christian.
 
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Clizby Wampuscat

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The OP is trying to smear almost everyone on the left due to what this apparently right wing-nut did. Very few Democrats, there may be a few, are trying to do the same to Republicans. That sort of smear is wrong no matter who does it.
It is all over the media today smearing republicans, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingram, Trump etc.

Tucker Carlson is many things — but he’s not stupid. When he pushes racist conspiracies like “the great replacement,” he knows the risks. He knows some view his vile hate as a call to arms. The problem is Tucker just doesn’t give a damn about anyone but himself. ~ Adam Schiff

More blood on the hands of @tuckercarlson and@foxnews this killer used their racist talking points to justify killing 10 people. Carlson won't stop because as he explained to the NYTimes, it's good for ratings. Lives be damned. As Carlson will be at judgement day. ~ Joe Lockhart

The racist massacre in Buffalo rest at the feet of Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, and the GOP. There are not fine people on both sides. ~ Rob Reiner

“And it's not just them. It’s other hosts of Fox News. It’s other Republican leaders, and they need to be called out,” the “Never Trump” Republican pundit continued before turning her attention to Fox’s sponsors.

“If you are an advertiser advertising on that station, you are part of the problem,” Navarro fumed. “If you sit on the board and are trying to be a civilized person—Paul Ryan and my friends, I'm talking to you—you are part of the problem! If you are a Republican donor tweeting about how bad you feel about this, but you're donating to people like Elise Stefanik, you are part of the problem!”

She added: “If you are a staffer working for them, you are part of the problem. if you are voting for them, you are part of the problem. I'll tell you what ‘Great Replacement Theory’ should be—we should replace all these people peddling hate and making financial and political gain from spreading racism. We should replace them with the people who hold up American values.”
~ Ana Navarro

It goes on and on on the liberal talk shows, blaming conservatives instead of the actual shooter.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It is all over the media today smearing republicans, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingram, Trump etc.

Tucker Carlson is many things — but he’s not stupid. When he pushes racist conspiracies like “the great replacement,” he knows the risks. He knows some view his vile hate as a call to arms. The problem is Tucker just doesn’t give a damn about anyone but himself. ~ Adam Schiff

Alright now we are getting into specific charges. Do you disagree with that analysis? If so why?


More blood on the hands of @tuckercarlson and@foxnews this killer used their racist talking points to justify killing 10 people. Carlson won't stop because as he explained to the NYTimes, it's good for ratings. Lives be damned. As Carlson will be at judgement day. ~ Joe Lockhart

The killer did mention 'Replacement theory".
The racist massacre in Buffalo rest at the feet of Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, and the GOP. There are not fine people on both sides. ~ Rob Reiner

Rob Reiner the director? A minor figure and more than a bit of a richard.


“And it's not just them. It’s other hosts of Fox News. It’s other Republican leaders, and they need to be called out,” the “Never Trump” Republican pundit continued before turning her attention to Fox’s sponsors.

“If you are an advertiser advertising on that station, you are part of the problem,” Navarro fumed. “If you sit on the board and are trying to be a civilized person—Paul Ryan and my friends, I'm talking to you—you are part of the problem! If you are a Republican donor tweeting about how bad you feel about this, but you're donating to people like Elise Stefanik, you are part of the problem!”

She added: “If you are a staffer working for them, you are part of the problem. if you are voting for them, you are part of the problem. I'll tell you what ‘Great Replacement Theory’ should be—we should replace all these people peddling hate and making financial and political gain from spreading racism. We should replace them with the people who hold up American values.”
~ Ana Navarro

Okay and now you are definitely getting into Tucker Carlson territory. She appears to be as crazy left as Carlson is crazy right.

It goes on and on on the liberal talk shows, blaming conservatives instead of the actual shooter.
They are commenting about how the sort of person that the killer followed, and it appears from his use of "replacement theory" that it is likely that he is a Tucker Carlson follower and Carlson does have a bit to answer for. To blame all of the Republicans goes to far, but to pick out individuals that had a hand in his transformation is not unreasonable.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Alright now we are getting into specific charges. Do you disagree with that analysis? If so why?




The killer did mention 'Replacement theory".


Rob Reiner the director? A minor figure and more than a bit of a richard.




Okay and now you are definitely getting into Tucker Carlson territory. She appears to be as crazy left as Carlson is crazy right.


They are commenting about how the sort of person that the killer followed, and it appears from his use of "replacement theory" that it is likely that he is a Tucker Carlson follower and Carlson does have a bit to answer for. To blame all of the Republicans goes to far, but to pick out individuals that had a hand in his transformation is not unreasonable.
Tucker sees the border problem as the dems trying to replace the current voters to get more and more dem voters. I have never heard him say anything about replacing white voters specifically. I have never seen Tucker call for any kind of violence, only change through elections. His take is not one from a racists ideology but from an uncontrolled immigration policy. The only reason the dems like immigration is because it favors the in elections, that is his hypothesis, not that he is racist. If Tucker gets shot do you think the liberals saying how he is to blame for this shooting should be to blame? Tucker has good and bad takes but if someone is going to accuse him of causing this shooting they better have better evidence than just him saying the voters are being replaced with immigrants to increase dem voters. White replacement theory is something else based on racism and anti-Semitism.
 
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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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Supposedly he says that he is a green Nazi. Our OP does not like the fact that Nazi's are about as conservative as it gets on the political spectrum. He tried to argue that "socialism" was in their name and in their platform. He had no answer for North Korea's official name has them listed as democracy and a republic and their constitution supports that too.

For @KW, it was the actions of the Nazis that tell us that they are a conservative despotism. It is the actions of Kim Jong-un and his father that tells us that North Korea is a despotic far left communist country. Words don't mean a lot in the world of politics. You should know that.
Didn’t the Nazis drop Socialism from their name after they gained power? (And killed all the actual socialists or the SA during the “night of the long knives.”)
I seem to vaguely recall learning that in modern history class.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
"The shooter is an 18-year-old white supremacist from rural New York. His semi-automatic rifle was emblazoned with the n-word as well as the names of notorious white terrorists: Anders Breivik (Norway, 2011), Dylann Roof (Charleston, 2015), Robert Bowers (Pittsburgh, 2018), Brenton Tarrant (New Zealand, 2019) and John Earnest (El Paso, 2019)."

"Collins wrote that, “the manifesto includes dozens of pages of antisemitic and racist memes, repeatedly citing the racist ‘great replacement’ conspiracy theory frequently pushed by white supremacists, which falsely claims white people are being ‘replaced’ in America as part of an elaborate Jewish conspiracy theory. Other memes use tropes and discredited data to denigrate the intelligence of nonwhite people.”

Doesn't sound very left wing to me.

The three-legged stool of the Republican Party
He traveled 200 miles. He's not from NY from what I understand.
 
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