Trailblazer
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A person does not have to CARE what the Bible says in order to debate about what the Bible says.
They might just be debating about what the Bible says because they DON'T CARE what the Bible says.
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They might just be debating about what the Bible says because they DON'T CARE what the Bible says.
Just more personal attacks. Not surprising as the thread was created as a personal attack against someone who dares to be Christian and agree with evolution.
walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
I accept all of your holy scriptures as truthful to you, Its words support all your beliefs. I don't question one word. These words give you hope and peace of mind.
My Bible gives me hope and peace of mind.
I don't attack the words in your scriptures, so why do you have to attack the words in my scriptures?
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
That's not to mention the subtle snarky remarks in this thread and in others that have absolutely nothing to do with this thread's topic.
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Whether you realize it or not, I got the answer to the question I was wondering about. Do debate; don't debate, -- whatever --
walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
Is that what this debate forum is for? You get to list all your holy scriptures to prove your belief is true.
And when I mention one scripture, that opens up a big debate, so what happens? I don't even get to prove one point let alone two or three.
You don't even let me use one scripture as a reference for my beliefs.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It's one side against other sides. Doesn't matter if someone talks to the dead, that's all ok for many. As long as they're on the same side. I'm not a betting person, but if I were, I'd bet that someone will say, what side are you talking about?
Be that as it may I look forward to the future.
walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
I look forward to the future also.It's one side against other sides. Doesn't matter if someone talks to the dead, that's all ok for many. As long as they're on the same side. I'm not a betting person, but if I were, I'd bet that someone will say, what side are you talking about?
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And the righteous ones inherit the Earth and dwell upon it for eternity. Psalm 37:29
Berean Literal Bible
But according to His promise, we are awaiting new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells. 2nd Peter 3:13
New King James Version
Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5, Psalm 37:11
Yup. It's disgraceful behaviour that makes me realise leaving Christianity was one of the best decisions of my life.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Personally, I like debating about the Bible. I studied it and Christian theology for many years, so I'm very well-versed in both. One advantage I have as a former evangelist and street preacher is that I can always counteract the Christians who either try to proselytize and preach at me or to others publicly.
Given my extensive background as an evangelist and street preacher, I can successfully counteract them. Of course, I don't heckle them, but I will ask them specific questions that will lead into a more in-depth discussion of the Bible and Christian theology. To be honest, it amazes me how many of these street preaching Christians don't have a comprehensive understanding of either one. Like many JWs I've met over the years, their understanding of the Bible is restricted to their church's doctrines and their personal biblical interpretation, or their church's interpretation. It doesn't take long for me to recognize this.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Oh my god, me too.
walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
Do you have 10 scriptures to explain the details of your belief?
Can you use the words in this scriptures alone to explain your beliefs?
Or do you like the debates just for the sake of debating?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I did not attack any words in your scriptures.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
maybe the unseen force exercised by God in harmony with His will? Almost like Jesus said and I paraphrase -- the wind blows this way and that way.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Isn't someone allowed according to you to make a comment and then ask for a reasonable on subject response?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
how beautiful, ty Walt.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, that is not what it is for.
You can try to prove any points you want to with scripture but that is not what you did.
Who stopped you from doing that? Nobody.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I was one of the lucky ones who never had to leave since I never joined.
Thanks, mom and dad!
walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
In response to all of the snarky remarks (both direct and indirect) about me talking with the dead, which have occurred both in this thread and recently in another completely unrelated one, I've decided to re-post what I previously wrote in this thread (post #3,499). Once again, I feel it is vital for me to speak out against the rude and sarcastic behavior directed at me (and others) by someone who publicly claims to follow Jesus Christ. I think that's a real shame.
Some people in this thread appear to be under the impression that I care about what they think of my mediumship. It appears they are either unaware of what I've already said on this subject, have forgotten it, or are deliberately ignoring it. Therefore, I thought it necessary to reiterate my previous statements about this dilemma in order to make it abundantly clear that it makes no difference to me what others think of my mediumship, my years of experience as a medium and seasoned paranormal investigator, or my beliefs as a spiritualist, Wiccan, and Druid. I will further explain why it makes no difference to me.
First, I am not responsible, either directly or indirectly, to convince others that my mediumship and my lifelong experiences with it are real. It is also not my responsibility to convince others that the paranormal is real (e.g., ghosts, hauntings, crytids, and UFOs). Second, I mean no offense when I say this, but it doesn't matter to me if some people choose not to believe that my personal experiences as a medium are real or that the paranormal in general is real.
It doesn't matter to me, because their skepticism doesn't negate my lifelong experiences with encountering spirits. The fact is, other genuine mediums, people I've given readings to, and other paranormal investigators who have recorded some of my interactions with spirits have validated my experiences as a medium (for a more detailed explanation, see my previous post here). Therefore, I have no interest in debating the paranormal or convincing others that it is real. I've never once tried to persuade any skeptics that I converse with online or in person to believe in the paranormal, and I don't intend to start now. I just let it happen naturally. Third, no amount of preaching by Christians quoting a few scriptures and stating their religious beliefs about spirits, or the continued efforts to lecture me or others, will ever convince me that the earthbound human spirits with whom I interact and communicate are demons.
I no longer believe in such things (as I explained in my previous post here). Furthermore, I'd like to make it abundantly clear that any Christian (no matter their church affiliation) will never convince me that their church's doctrines and its interpretation of the Bible regarding the afterlife are absolutely correct. I've read the Bible cover to cover and studied it many times, so I am well versed in it. As a result, I believe that its depictions of the afterlife are not only inaccurate and misleading, but that the Bible is also chock full of contradictions, and that the stories about Jesus are either based on hearsay, embellished tales, or copied and adapted from Greek mythology and other ancient pagan religions that predate both the Bible and Christianity. Finally, I've stated in numerous other threads that I don't share my lifelong experiences in an attempt to persuade others to believe in the paranormal. As far as I'm concerned, it's entirely up to those who read my posts to decide whether they believe me or not. So, I've made my peace on this matter, and I'm not going to repeat myself or debate with anyone about what I've written in this post. If others disagree with what I've said in this post, then it's their personal issue, not mine.
Some people in this thread appear to be under the impression that I care about what they think of my mediumship. It appears they are either unaware of what I've already said on this subject, have forgotten it, or are deliberately ignoring it. Therefore, I thought it necessary to reiterate my previous statements about this dilemma in order to make it abundantly clear that it makes no difference to me what others think of my mediumship, my years of experience as a medium and seasoned paranormal investigator, or my beliefs as a spiritualist, Wiccan, and Druid. I will further explain why it makes no difference to me.
First, I am not responsible, either directly or indirectly, to convince others that my mediumship and my lifelong experiences with it are real. It is also not my responsibility to convince others that the paranormal is real (e.g., ghosts, hauntings, crytids, and UFOs). Second, I mean no offense when I say this, but it doesn't matter to me if some people choose not to believe that my personal experiences as a medium are real or that the paranormal in general is real.
It doesn't matter to me, because their skepticism doesn't negate my lifelong experiences with encountering spirits. The fact is, other genuine mediums, people I've given readings to, and other paranormal investigators who have recorded some of my interactions with spirits have validated my experiences as a medium (for a more detailed explanation, see my previous post here). Therefore, I have no interest in debating the paranormal or convincing others that it is real. I've never once tried to persuade any skeptics that I converse with online or in person to believe in the paranormal, and I don't intend to start now. I just let it happen naturally. Third, no amount of preaching by Christians quoting a few scriptures and stating their religious beliefs about spirits, or the continued efforts to lecture me or others, will ever convince me that the earthbound human spirits with whom I interact and communicate are demons.
I no longer believe in such things (as I explained in my previous post here). Furthermore, I'd like to make it abundantly clear that any Christian (no matter their church affiliation) will never convince me that their church's doctrines and its interpretation of the Bible regarding the afterlife are absolutely correct. I've read the Bible cover to cover and studied it many times, so I am well versed in it. As a result, I believe that its depictions of the afterlife are not only inaccurate and misleading, but that the Bible is also chock full of contradictions, and that the stories about Jesus are either based on hearsay, embellished tales, or copied and adapted from Greek mythology and other ancient pagan religions that predate both the Bible and Christianity. Finally, I've stated in numerous other threads that I don't share my lifelong experiences in an attempt to persuade others to believe in the paranormal. As far as I'm concerned, it's entirely up to those who read my posts to decide whether they believe me or not. So, I've made my peace on this matter, and I'm not going to repeat myself or debate with anyone about what I've written in this post. If others disagree with what I've said in this post, then it's their personal issue, not mine.