By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[ElishaElijah]

As a Christian we share this truth @YoursTrue @Kenny even in the testimonies on RF here!

”I thank my God, making mention of you always in my prayers, hearing of your love and faith which you have toward the Lord Jesus and toward all the saints, that the sharing of your faith may become effective by the acknowledgment of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus. For we have great joy and consolation in your love, because the hearts of the saints have been refreshed by you, brother.“
‭‭Philemon‬ ‭1‬:‭4‬-‭7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Subduction Zone]

nah...you say naughty, naughty to @ElishaElijah but so far I have not seen anything like that come out of his posts, yet you have often in the past said things I said that I never said. anyway, have a good one, I'll consider this conversation over.

Then quote me please if I do so. You may be wrong.

Do you realize yet that I have never called God a liar? I have only pointed out how creationists do that.

 

[McBell]

One thing that’s very clear here is that only God can change a persons heart.

If only God can change a persons heart, what is your purpose here?
It is not like you are going to change any hearts, right?

 

[McBell]

... I haven't seen him talk about wicca or those who believe they can talk with the dead in a negative way. I guess that's ok with him.

How many Wicca threads have you been in?

 

[Kenny]

How many Wicca threads have you been in?

Usually those are DIR.

 

[McBell]

Usually those are DIR.

How many have you been in?
I have been in several.
One does not have to reply.
One may freely browse them.

 

[Kenny]

How many have you been in?
I have been in several.
One does not have to reply.
One may freely browse them.

True… true.

Can’t say I’ve really spent any time there.

 

[ElishaElijah]

If only God can change a persons heart, what is your purpose here?
It is not like you are going to change any hearts, right?

My purpose on this thread is to share as a Christian what I have found to be true in my relationship to God, this is not theory but a walk with the Living God and testimony of His faithfulness. I thought the thread posted by @YoursTrue was a terrific one to ask and to hear the testimonies of fellow believers. I’ve found this verse to be true:

”As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him.“
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭18‬:‭30‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Polymath257]

One thing that’s very clear here is that only God can change a persons heart.

Actually, it is quite clear that it is possible to change a person's heart with no intervention by a deity. In fact, it happens all the time.

 

[Polymath257]

So if I go to a doctor and I get treatment for a life threatening disease and I follow his advice and I get better -- then I got better. But then the question comes up, what's better?

In this case, it is possible to test all of your claims: is there such a doctor? has the treatment been tested? did you have an appointment on the day you say you went to the doctor? did you actually have a disease at the time? did you actually get better?

ALL of these have evidence for them independent of your claims. That is NOT the case when you make claims about any deity.

 

[Polymath257]

Not today for physical things but the spiritual for sure I can and do all those things. This weekend more souls were saved, delivered from witchcraft and healed. Our meetings are awesome only because God is in our midst like He said He would be. The day is coming when yes we will be face to face before the Lord, then you won’t be talking like you are.

You have yet to demonstrate that there is a 'spiritual' at all. You have yet to show that 'God was in your midst' or even that there is a 'God' at all. Witchcraft is simply a belief, not something to be 'healed' from.

You like to make a lot of claims with nothing at all to back them up.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Actually, it is quite clear that it is possible to change a person's heart with no intervention by a deity. In fact, it happens all the time.

I haven’t seen this happen without divine intervention, I’ve seen changes in behavior but not in heart and motive.

 

[Polymath257]

It’s the truth and the way it is, simple and sorry you can’t grasp what I’m saying.

it is your *belief*; your *opinion*. others have equally strong beliefs and equally valid opinions that differ from yours. In particular, believers in Islam feel themselves 'saved' in the way you do. They feel that they have 'connected to God'. And they don't see a need to have a relationship to Jesus, because for them Jesus is a man, a prophet, and not a God.

it is trivial to 'grasp what you are saying'. We just find it to be wrong.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You have yet to demonstrate that there is a 'spiritual' at all. You have yet to show that 'God was in your midst' or even that there is a 'God' at all. Witchcraft is simply a belief, not something to be 'healed' from.

You like to make a lot of claims with nothing at all to back them up.

When a person is spiritually blind they cannot see the spiritual invisible realm it’s not even something I feel I need to prove it’s like the wind

 

[ElishaElijah]

it is your *belief*; your *opinion*. others have equally strong beliefs and equally valid opinions that differ from yours. In particular, believers in Islam feel themselves 'saved' in the way you do. They feel that they have 'connected to God'. And they don't see a need to have a relationship to Jesus, because for them Jesus is a man, a prophet, and not a God.

Well, so what? I don’t feel the need to comment on someone else’s life or experience unless they asked me, that’s their personal testimony.

 

[Polymath257]

I haven’t seen this happen without divine intervention, I’ve seen changes in behavior but not in heart and motive.

Then you have not looked around very much.

 

[Polymath257]

Well, so what? I don’t feel the need to comment on someone else’s life or experience unless they asked me, that’s their personal testimony.

And if it is unbelievable, then I will not believe their interpretation of their experiences.

I am looking for truth, not simply opinion. That means I need something other than 'personal experiences': I need testable claims with actual evidence in support of them.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And if it is unbelievable, then I will not believe their interpretation of their experiences.

I am looking for truth, not simply opinion. That means I need something other than 'personal experiences': I need testable claims with actual evidence in support of them.

Well, that’s you, I found that until I came to God on His terms I got nothing but silence. I found The Truth

 

[ElishaElijah]

Then you have not looked around very much.

Really? What is your test for judging the motive and intention of a persons heart?

 

[Kenny]

And if it is unbelievable, then I will not believe their interpretation of their experiences.

I am looking for truth, not simply opinion. That means I need something other than 'personal experiences': I need testable claims with actual evidence in support of them.

In my faith, you would need to consider the truth of the words of Jesus with the evidence of a resurrection. Just judge his words and life. if it doesn’t speak to you… ok! At least you gave his words a shot.