California wants to break free and form their own liberal utopia.

[suncowiam]

You are being extremely rude. Change your tone. You wouldn't say that **** to my face. "Fake man". You are proof that claiming to be a liberal does not really mean you actually respect transgender people. There's a lot of right-wingers who are more respectful and not fake about it.

I didn't call you a fake man.

I actually defend you're right to be a man.

I'm just simply saying how hypocritical you are by giving you a firm example.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I didn't call you a fake man.

I actually defend you're right to be a man.

I'm just simply saying how hypocritical you are by giving you a firm example.

How am I a hypocrite? I simply pointed out that liberals who like to go on about various injustices in society have all but abandoned the issue of economic justice.

 

[Skwim]

I say yes they should. Let the rest of America see what a great and wonderful dystopia...eh...society they would make.

I'll remain here and observe.

Just another sorry attempt by FOX to shift attention away from the crumbling Presidency.

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[suncowiam]

How am I a hypocrite? I simply pointed out that liberals who like to go on about various injustices in society have all but abandoned the issue of economic justice.

That is not true. I was trying to make the point that they vote for welfare, universal healthcare and other liberal economical policies. They just happen to be rich.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That is not true. I was trying to make the point that they vote for welfare, universal healthcare and other liberal economical policies. They just happen to be rich.

Then why has housing in liberal areas only gone up? Why is San Francisco, the bastion of liberalism, more expensive than NYC? It's around $2,000 per month for a studio apartment there. Welfare is good for a safety net but people don't really want to be on welfare. Democrats just end up supporting neoliberal politics which make the problem worse. Mind you, I voted for Bernie in the primaries.

 

[suncowiam]

Then why has housing in liberal areas only gone up? Why is San Francisco, the bastion of liberalism, more expensive than NYC? It's around $2,000 for a studio apartment there. Welfare is good for a safety net but people don't really want to be on welfare. Democrats just end up supporting neoliberal politics which make the problem worse. Mind you, I voted for Bernie in the primaries.

It's because everyone wants to move there for the high paying salary. Not just liberals. That is not politics. That is economics. People move to where they feel the opportunities are. You're jumping to conclusions.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's because everyone wants to move there for the high paying salary. Not just liberals. That is not politics. That is economics. People move to where they feel the opportunities are. You're jumping to conclusions.

That's not an answer.

 

[suncowiam]

That's not an answer.

Yeah, ok. You live in Ohio and now consider yourself Christian and conservative. Where do you get your views of California from? Certainly not first hand?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yeah, ok. You live in Ohio and now consider yourself Christian and conservative. Where do you get your views of California from? Certainly not first hand?

Socially conservative on some issues doesn't translate into economically right-wing (in American terms - out and out worship of money). As for the rest:

 

[esmith]

Just another sorry attempt by FOX to shift attention away from the crumbling Presidency..

Can I make a suggestion?
That's all right I will anyway
"Suggest you get out of the bubble you are living in."

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I say yes they should. Let the rest of America see what a great and wonderful dystopia...eh...society they would make.

I'll remain here and observe.

Californiais the World's 6th largest economy in its own right, isn't it?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Can I make a suggestion?
That's all right I will anyway
"Suggest you get out of the bubble you are living in."

Oh man.

 

[esmith]

Seem's that CA will not have to succeed from the Union to become a liberal utopia.....everyone but liberals and illegals are fleeing the State, and this includes businesses.
Packing up and moving out: People are leaving California in droves, including some High Desert residents
WHY $15B CORP FLEES CALIFORNIA …
Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers
If California’s the future, why are so many leaving?
Boom and Gloom: An Economic Warning for California
Who’s Leaving California and Why It Matters
Leaving California: Here's who's moving out, who's moving in.
Californians Doing The Once-Unthinkable: Leaving California | Investor's Business Daily

 

[Twilight Hue]

Californiais the World's 6th largest economy in its own right, isn't it?

Just whose economy I wonder? The government and/or the one percenter's, or the common people in general?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Just whose economy I wonder? The government and/or the one percenter's, or the common people in general?

Um, what's your point? Is it the 6th largest economy or not?

 

[suncowiam]

In some ways it does.
Farmers, ranchers, lumbermen, miners and other like minded groups see things different than most of the people in high density population centers like San Francisco, and Los Angles.

But then do professions need to align to specific beliefs?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

But then do professions need to align to specific beliefs?

They do when your whole world view rests on people being in a strictly dichotomous "us vs. them" paradigm.

 

[suncowiam]

It seems you're getting replaced by wealthy New Yorkers over here where it's even too expensive for them to live here. Maybe I was a little harsh on California. It's cheaper than New York now.

There always be locations where only the rich can afford. Maybe it's a neighborhood, maybe it's a city... Why can't it become a state... That's just arbitrary concerning the location and size.

If Republicans believe in the free market then inflated housing values are a reflection of that free market. Demand drove that up. There's nothing special about that. People wouldn't pay the cost if they could not afford it.

 

[Revoltingest]

There always be locations where only the rich can afford. Maybe it's a neighborhood, maybe it's a city... Why can't it become a state... That's just arbitrary concerning the location and size.

If Republicans believe in the free market then inflated housing values are a reflection of that free market. Demand drove that up. There's nothing special about that. People wouldn't pay the cost if they could not afford it.

It's not so free a market if building restrictions & permit fees prevent affordable housing.

 

[suncowiam]

It's not so free a market if building restrictions & permit fees prevent affordable housing.

That's a fair point but let us consider the following...

As I've stated before, California suffers from over-population. Can we agree that a city or state has a threshold as far as how many citizens it can efficiently host? Housing is not the only limiting factor. Other infrastructures and qualities have to be considered. Transportation, water, electrical, clean air and so on.

And as I've stated before, city and state officials are artificially limiting housing to establish a base line population. We have to limit our growth and not just let it expand out with ensuring all other infrastructure in place. I've seen cities like Las Vegas and Phoenix expecting a boom only to be left with empty infrastructure and empty housing. This is all social science so it's hard to suggest a good balance but in general, I agree with this slow approach.

So yes, I agree with you but I believe there are valid reasons why we do it.