Can a human be more compassionate and merciful than God (in your opinion)

[JustWondering]

There is such a world, it is called Heaven. Which Christians always forget about when talking about evil and free will.

The only world I really know anything about is earth. Heaven and Hell are nothing but fantasy unless someone can provide some actual evidence for them.

 

[Shad]

The only world I really know anything about is earth. Heaven and Hell are nothing but fantasy unless someone can provide some actual evidence for them.

You failed to see my point. If Heaven exist it becomes not only a possible world but a world in reality. If people in heaven can not commit evil but still have free will than Earth is not the best possible world. It does not matter if either is real or not but the fact that Christians skip over this point in their rush to condemn people rather than hold their God accountable.

 

[JustWondering]

The person what his philosophy is based on freedom about everything can say what u said.
But those who are realistic just consider the reality not something else.

We don't decide for god what to do or not. He decides.

Besides u always think about hell why don't u think about heaven , eternal and endless happiness and joy.

And god prepared lots of evidences of his existence including reason and miracle and all other masterpiece in the universe. I just overlooked mysticism.


My final question is
Is it good to give knowledge to someone that is completely stupid and can't appreciate it????

The same is about unbelievers


We don't have something more precious than god since he is creator of every beauty and perfection.

And unbelievers don't appreciate this opportunity to reach him.

Considering that they overlooked all evidences and denial of them
God will punish them to pure them and finally sending to heaven.

Eternal punishment isn't for everyone.

If there was evidence for god's existence I'd be a believer, but there isn't any evidence for any god concept. The religions I've learned about all appear to be stuff/stories people made up to me. So why do you think a rational person should accept ancient mythological stories as real without evidence?

 

[JustWondering]

You failed to see my point. If Heaven exist it becomes not only a possible world but a world in reality. If people in heaven can not commit evil but still have free will than Earth is not the best possible world. It does not matter if either is real or not but the fact that Christians skip over this point in their rush to condemn people rather than hold their God accountable.

I agree. I started a thread once about whether people in heaven would have no free will or have it but can be kicked out.

 

[whirlingmerc]

But there can be a greater good, where everything will bring glory to God either through His mercy or through His justice God's mercy also can be shown though others

 

[Aštra’el]

I was merely trying to stay (more or less) on topic and speak for compassion as an admirable quality in and of itself.

I display compassion at times, and I display sadism at times... at times I am just completely indifferent to human suffering either way. As such I have no interest in allowing compassion or sadism to dominate my Weltanschauung. Some have described my Weltanschauung as amoral; I am inclined to agree.

My true belief is that a human being does, indeed, have infinitely more capacity to be compassionate than any deity can/will ever have. And this being because "deities" such as those we humans dwell on (create, idolize, worship, etc.) very likely do not exist.

I am polytheistic, but my spiritual-religious system is designed in such a way that one can experience its deities regardless if one is theistic or atheistic.

Fantastical afterlife scenarios and creation stories are completely irrelevant to my spiritual-religious system. Faith in "unprovable claims" is even more irrelevent. The only faith required is faith in one's own abilities.

The gods in my pantheon are a tremendous source of inspiration and motivation, exponentially strengthening my ability to achieve my goals and ambitions. Whether or not one approaches these deities in a theistic or theistic manner makes little difference so long as one's ability to achieve one's aspirations and live how one Wills to live is strengthened and not weakened.

 

[whirlingmerc]

I find the comments on Van Gough by the ex atheist interesting
which pertain to suffering for another
An interesting perspective on why Van Gough cut off his ear

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

There is such a world, it is called Heaven. Which Christians always forget about when talking about evil and free will.

Heaven supposedly saw a rebellion, so apparently it's not without its share of drama either.

If a person has leprosy and can't feel pain they have serious problems
But someday God will wipe every tear from the eyes of the redeemed

Sure, we could wait on God to heal them ... or we could get a prescription for some antibiotics.

If a person has leprosy...they have serious problems

Not so much

We don't decide for god what to do or not. He decides.

But if He wants to argue His actions are justified, He will actually have to justify them.

If u would be allowed to talk to them.

If God is unwilling to even hear someone out, that implies insecurity about (O)ne's position, doesn't it?

 

[james bond]

No, he is not calling us slaves.
He is asking how you feel about the concept of forcing white people nowadays to pay reparations to the slaves' descendants.
Would you support its implementation ?

Oh, I guess I see what he is saying. Of course not, but it's not relevant to the situation between God and A&E. You're applying today's concepts to the past and let's see... missing the most important thing in order to keep believing atheism.

Who came up with reparations? Liberals?

 

[james bond]

No, no. Not slaves. That's a completely different argument. My argument is that the punishment beyond those directly responsible is just as absurd as modern day white people paying reparations to modern black people. What God did is basically that. Punishing the children for the actions of their parents.


Yeah, and it's not positive, rather it's downright revolting. It's a ringing endorsement for cowardice.

Ok, I see your argument. See mine at #129.

 

[james bond]

It's my sincere belief that Adam and Eve did not exist. Neither did the garden, and neither did the tree or serpent. That story was fabricated to explain why "survival is hard" - and because people like to have a place to stick the blame. It then evolved in the story as a convenient way to state that we're imperfect, sad, sorry sacks of "good for nothing" - which all points to why we "need" God to help us get "fixed". It's a giant mess of complaints, blame-shifting and pity-party nonsense. And people buy it because... hey... survival IS hard, and they ARE sad... and someone should clean up this mess, 'cause they are too feeble to do it on their own.

People like simple explanations - it's soothing. And the fact that so many people take their personal suffering personally has plenty of them casting around for explanations... and usually the simple ones are all they can handle.

That's your opinion. Today, even biblical scholars think they know where the Garden of Eden is, but may not be right. So, we'll just have to see where your sincerity gets you -- death or waking up to the darkness?

Where Was the Garden of Eden Located? | The Institute for Creation Research

 

[Aquitaine]

People who slightest forms of tawheed(oneness of God) will not burn there forever.

Why is it moral to torture people for their own religious beliefs?
Do you not see this for what it really is: a scare tactic?

"Conform to our ideology otherwise you will burn in hell".

 

[Koldo]

Oh, I guess I see what he is saying. Of course not, but it's not relevant to the situation between God and A&E. You're applying today's concepts to the past and let's see... missing the most important thing in order to keep believing atheism.

Who came up with reparations? Liberals?

Please do elabarote on that.
Why do you think that is not relevant ? It certainly looks like a comparable situation in a significant way ( assuming a certain interpretation of the bible, of course ).
What relevant distinction do you see ?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I never said pain was a choice. I said pain was a warning. Suffering is a choice it is the opposite of overcoming challenges. Suffering is giving into the pain, giving in to the challenge. I am suffering because of my pain. The only reason you suffer is that you chose to give in to the pain.

I acknowledge what I believe is suffering in others, even if I don't acknowledge my own pain to the same degree as suffering. It is called compassion.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

That's your opinion. Today, even biblical scholars think they know where the Garden of Eden is, but may not be right. So, we'll just have to see where your sincerity gets you -- death or waking up to the darkness?

In what I believe is the accurate version of postmortem events you don't "wake up" to anything. You don't even get to experience the darkness. My opinion? Admittedly. But rooted in the real and observable conditions of our universe. Very unlike most claims that involve anything more - and therefore more real to me than any story, or "may not be right" testimony - however scholarly it may supposedly be.

 

[bobhikes]

I acknowledge what I believe is suffering in others, even if I don't acknowledge my own pain to the same degree as suffering. It is called compassion.

You a human you live in this world with others. You must deal with others on a personal level. You are not thinking like God. God that created everything. God that gives you a purpose. God that gives you a choice to follow or not. God that lives apart wanting you to join him.

As a father at times I must let my children fail so that they learn. Even though I am much more experienced then my children they don't always listen to me and I respect that. Eventually I believe that they will come around but they may never come around. I have 2 kids and I want them to live a successful life without me. God has billions of Kids and wants them to be successful in life to live with him. They are major differences.

 

[Shad]

Heaven supposedly saw a rebellion, so apparently it's not without its share of drama either.

Which renders the idea of suffering moot and shows God to be malevolent or Heaven is nothing special.

 

[interminable]

I have yet to see someone explain what exactly is meant by that.
By what criteria would you judge if the challenge has been met ?

Arabic Grammer and its eloquence and meaning

 

[interminable]

An evil spirit could tell people to pray and do good deeds to convince people it is a good spirit and deceive them.

A lot of people could write something like the koran. I have read the Koran. It is incoherent and poorly written. It is hard to make sense of what is being said.

The Catechism of the Catholic church is much better written and makes a lot more sense. If I was to go with a text, I'd say that appears most inspired by God.

Have u ever read the quran in Arabic?

How much your possibility of evil spirit worth it?


If people could bring like it they didn't hesitate to do so.

 

[interminable]

If there was evidence for god's existence I'd be a believer, but there isn't any evidence for any god concept. The religions I've learned about all appear to be stuff/stories people made up to me. So why do you think a rational person should accept ancient mythological stories as real without evidence?

And would u please tell me about Islam

Does Islam prove its validity by myth or it uses logic and reason to do so?