Can a literal Genesis creation story really hold up?

[look3467]

They are not in a perfect orbit.

Gravity has the planets in orbit.

There is no need to place a deity there.>>>outhouse

What is a perfect orbit then? And should it be?

From whence did gravity originate? Don't tell me, evolution.

There are too many things to credit a non existent creator which is.....to a simple minded person, not a reality.

But for a simple minded person, a creator created, exists now and will always exist.

The problem is not with the creator, but with the created.

So, I'm glad we both agree on something...that in itself is very simple....."so be it".

Blessings, AJ

 

[outhouse]

But for a simple minded person, a creator created, exists now and will always exist.

Exactly.


But that does not mean the position carries ANY historical credibility in reality.

If you cannot show any evidence towards a literal genesis happeneing, you have no position in this thread.

This thread is not about your belief, it is about reality and how ancient mens mythology fits into it. So far it does not fit in.

Your welcome to provide evidence, but anything else is off topic.

 

[look3467]

This thread is not about your belief, it is about reality and how ancient mens mythology fits into it. So far it does not fit in.>>>outhouse

Oh, I see.....you just don't want an argument?

If everybody is of the same opinion as you would want, than this threads life is over.

So, butt out AJ, for there is no place for your belief. Nothing literal about your belief.

Well, I'm willing to grant you your wish.......

I've enjoyed the discussion, sooooooo

On to another thread, Bye

Blessings, still, AJ

 

[outhouse]

Oh, I see.....you just don't want an argument?

You dont have one

Bring some evidence n support of your position, and we will talk all day.

 

[Thief]

You dont have one

Bring some evidence n support of your position, and we will talk all day.

No...that won't happen.
Someone will tell you to put your history book down and talk theology....
you'll get upset and start drag and dropping someone else's handiwork.

That's not a conversation.

 

[Thief]

Oh!...btw....I believe....

GOD DID IT!!!!!

 

[outhouse]

If you cant bring evidence to the table as I have.


You don't get a credible say so here.

 

[outhouse]

Let it be known.

Absense of evidence, is only an appeal to ignorance, and does not, nor can it, dictate what really happened for our human origins that is scientifically understood.

Faith does not replace science, or history or reality.

There has never been a place for any mythology or deity to be attributed, to any aspect of human origins with any credibility what so ever, with such clear scientific facts that leave no doubt about human evolution.

 

[Thief]

Yeah well....there are a lot of etchings on cave walls depicting Something Greater than us.

 

[outhouse]

Wow

There is nothing about the origins of humans in the bible that has ever been proven to be accurate scientifically.


Evolution is fact.

Let it be known.

Absense of evidence, is only an appeal to ignorance, and does not, nor can it, dictate what really happened for our human origins that is scientifically understood.

Faith does not replace science, or history or reality.

There has never been a place for any mythology or deity to be attributed, to any aspect of human origins with any credibility what so ever, with such clear scientific facts that leave no doubt about human evolution.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

What is a perfect orbit then? And should it be?

From whence did gravity originate? Don't tell me, evolution.

Although I am a Deist, and share your belief in a deity, I have to ask... If you think everything ultimately has a source, then where did your god come from? And I surely hope you are joking when you ask if we think gravity comes from evolution. Evolution is biological and has nothing to do with the fundamental forces. I'm assuming you are being sarcastic though.

 

[outhouse]

Although I am a Deist, and share your belief in a deity, I have to ask... If you think everything ultimately has a source, then where did your god come from? And I surely hope you are joking when you ask if we think gravity comes from evolution. Evolution is biological and has nothing to do with the fundamental forces. I'm assuming you are being sarcastic though.

The quality of arguements from opposing beliefs, never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Ouroboros]

What is a perfect orbit then? And should it be?

Aphelion is the most distant point between Earth and Sun. Perihelion is the closest. It has changed over time, and currently I think it's something like 5-10% difference. The goldilock zone is a zone, not a perfect circle.

From whence did gravity originate? Don't tell me, evolution.

It seems like it comes from the Higgs field, if I understand the current science. By the way, the biological evolution is not within the same science as physics. Just saying.

 

[Muffled]

What????!!!!



You seriously don't know what you are talking about. Have you ever study chemistry or done chemistry experiment before?

Yes, water is made of molecule of both hydrogen and oxygen, BUT....

Simply adding heat to oxygen and hydrogen don't get you water. If the heat should ignite, you are more likely have combination of both gases blowing up in your face. You are going to burn yourself silly.

In order for you get water, the hydrogen molecule (H2) needs to be oxidised, but the oxygen molecule (O2) needs to be reduced (meaning removing 4 electrons from O2).

(Sorry, I don't know how to do subscript of "2".)

I think this process is called "redox reaction" or "redox half-reaction", for I forget which, because it has been long time since my chemistry day (over 20 years ago).

Which ever it is you, you will either get 2 water molecules - 2 (H2O), but if you get it wrong, you will get H2O2, which is a chemical equation for the molecule of hydrogen peroxide, I believe.

Yes, but it was a long time ago so my memory might be a little hazy.

I studied atomic theory and did experiments. It is two elements of Hydrogen and one of Oxygen to make one molkecule of water. I suppose this is figured by doing atominc weiight measurement but I have never done that so I take it on faith that they know what they are talking about.

I don't remember. We may have just heated air which contains less hydrogen and oxygen than if one was working with pure gases. Of course I suppose one could also get nitrous oxide from doing that as well. What would that be NO2?

I believe the bottom line is that we believe these things 1. becuase we have people who know write it in a book and 2. we experience it ourselves although I was never very good at figuring out what was going on in a lab.

 

[Muffled]

We do not determine history, using something that could have been confused with imagination.


Supernatural explanations are no better then poor guessing.

I believe a "could have" is not an "is."

Are you able to prove that? I believe I have had proof that it is much better.

 

[Muffled]

many people cannot tell the difference between conscious and a mythical spirit.

spirit so far is nothing but ancient mens mythology and does not exist outside mythology.

Its why you have no evidence at all for it.

I believe the Holy Spirit is in me.

I believe I have had evidence of it.

I believe if a person needs to tell the difference then it isn't mythical but in any case the fact that some can't tell the difference is not proof that all can't tell the difference.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I believe the Holy Spirit is in me.

I believe I have had evidence of it.

I believe if a person needs to tell the difference then it isn't mythical but in any case the fact that some can't tell the difference is not proof that all can't tell the difference.

Where and what is this "evidence?"

 

[outhouse]

I have had proof that it is much better.

I dont think so.

Or you would have brought it to the table.


There is no credible evidence or scientific evidence that gives any credibility to mythology dictating human origins

 

[outhouse]

I believe the Holy Spirit is in me.

That fine.

But belief does not get to write how humans evolve or does it stop what is taught in every major university around the whole world

AS COMMON KNOWLEDGE the fcats of evolution.

I believe I have had evidence of it.

None that is credible though.

 

[Thief]

The guy that wrote about evolution believed it.

But God did it.