Can humanity surprise God?

[McBell]

How cute..but not point.

One would think you should get tired with all the back peddling you do.

 

[Beaudreaux]

One would think you should get tired with all the back peddling you do.

You will not get a straight answer out of Thief. He has demonstrated on multiple occassions that he is not capable of giving one. I think he believes this makes his entries here more mystic and full of ethos. He is not self aware enough to understand that they make him look like he is full of something else entirely.

 

[Thief]

You will not get a straight answer out of Thief. He has demonstrated on multiple occassions that he is not capable of giving one. I think he believes this makes his entries here more mystic and full of ethos. He is not self aware enough to understand that they make him look like he is full of something else entirely.

Actually I'm doing just fine.

So have you any surprises for God?
Or are you completely predictable?

 

[PolyHedral]

The latter, if God can see the future, which I have been told he can.

 

[McBell]

You will not get a straight answer out of Thief. He has demonstrated on multiple occassions that he is not capable of giving one. I think he believes this makes his entries here more mystic and full of ethos. He is not self aware enough to understand that they make him look like he is full of something else entirely.

To be honest...
I am so relieved to hear that someone else holds this same thought about Thief.

 

[Thief]

The latter, if God can see the future, which I have been told he can.

We have a linear existence, and a linear line of thought.
Perhaps God....that He have something in common to His creation...
shares a linear existence.

That He might be able does not require His action.
Freewill.

 

[PolyHedral]

Freewill means nothing if God can see the future, since the ability of anything to see the future logically implies that the universe is predictable.

 

[Thief]

Freewill means nothing if God can see the future, since the ability of anything to see the future logically implies that the universe is predictable.

So you are not able to change your mind.
God can.
It has been reported in scripture.

And if you won't accept report of God....then we have no conversation.

Besides....scientists are now speculating about multi-parallel planes of existence.

Who's to say...these not the result of God changing His mind?

 

[PolyHedral]

And if you won't accept report of God....then we have no conversation.

If you can show to me that it is actually report of God, then please go ahead, because I'd like to be informed of my mistake. However, what I see is a thirtieth-hand translation of a series of books all over 2000 years old and potentially subject to untold amounts of the "Chinese whispers" effect. I also see hundreds of subtly different books all claiming to explain the same thing, with no way to determine which of them is more accurate. If the Bible is God's word, he needs to work on the signal-to-noise ratio.

Besides....scientists are now speculating about multi-parallel planes of existence.

Ding-dong. The "multiple world" theories aren't actually supported by anything, they are merely a way of interpreting the results of quantum mechanics. (And there are other, equally valid, ways of doing it that involve only one universe.)

 

[Beaudreaux]

So you are not able to change your mind.
God can.

How can a perfect being change his mind? Don't individuals change their mind when they thought one thing was correct, but decided they were mistaken? Can God be mistaken and have to change his mind about something?

 

[Thief]

How can a perfect being change his mind? Don't individuals change their mind when they thought one thing was correct, but decided they were mistaken? Can God be mistaken and have to change his mind about something?

Changing your mind has nothing to do with error.
You have made a mistake.

 

[PolyHedral]

Changing your mind implies that you have found a viewpoint that you agree with more than the one you previously agreed with. It doesn't make sense to do that if you always have the best viewpoint to begin with.

 

[Thief]

Changing your mind implies that you have found a viewpoint that you agree with more than the one you previously agreed with. It doesn't make sense to do that if you always have the best viewpoint to begin with.

As if the creation dictates to the Creator?

 

[averageJOE]

Changing your mind has nothing to do with error.
You have made a mistake.

Yet your god had to pull out his giant eraser in the shape of a world wide flood to correct his error when his perfect little world went into the crapper. Problem is is that it still didn't work.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Changing your mind has nothing to do with error.
You have made a mistake.

Perhaps an example of God changing his mind will illuminate? Then you can explain why He did so.

 

[Beaudreaux]

As if the creation dictates to the Creator?

Are you saying that you as a mere mortal cannot be making statements about what God is like?

 

[PolyHedral]

As if the creation dictates to the Creator?

If you're talking about logic, then it can't really be created, but there's a thread dedicated to that.

 

[Thief]

Yet your god had to pull out his giant eraser in the shape of a world wide flood to correct his error when his perfect little world went into the crapper. Problem is is that it still didn't work.

Not God's fault...just His technique of correction.

And if He is willing to destroy so many at one time...for correction....
what then of anyone else making objection?

 

[Tathagata]

Can humanity surprise God?

Can God surprise humanity?



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[Armymike6174]

That depends entirely on who you ask. If it is a christian, No... because God apparently knows everything.

If you ask an atheist however, He will simply respond with, "Humanity Created God, so the question is irrelevant."