Can Jewish law be fulfilled?

[waitasec]

Now we're getting somewhere. It's encouraging to see a skeptic attempt to change the subject.

well lets see since you are claiming a big voice was heard in the sky
who changed the subject?
the law is to respect your parents jesus sinned...

 

[james2ko]

well lets see since you are claiming a big voice was heard in the sky who changed the subject? the law is to respect your parents jesus sinned...

Changing the subject???? I was merely answering your question from post #127 with a scripture.....lol

 

[fallingblood]

I never explained why Jesus disrespected His mother, I explained the how and why Jesus' reprimand of his mother for doing something wrong was not dishonoring her....You're being naughty, fb, by twisting the facts. Not good this time of year ....Nice try, though.

Jesus reprimand though was showing disrespect. You don't reprimand your mother in front of a bunch of people, and say that she is not your mother. That is disrespectful.

 

[waitasec]

Changing the subject???? I was merely answering your question from post #127 with a scripture.....lol

in case you missed it...

well of course god/peter and the disciples are going to say that in the NT, really? you are obviously too far in it to see the forrest for the trees
where in the world did you get the idea that jesus is god, the NT? no, really :areyoucra
what kind of argument is that?
context. read the context. did jesus diss his own mother? i would say so.
but you can't accept that. wonder why that would be. i guess being closed minded is a prerequisite for your kind of faith

 

[james2ko]

and another thing...
well of course god/peter and the disciples are going to say that in the NT, really?

Hey....It's your problem if you do not accept the NT, not mine.

you are obviously too far in it to see the forrest for the trees where in the world did you get the idea that jesus is god,
the NT? no, really :areyoucra what kind of argument is that? i find it very telling. context. read the context. did jesus diss his own mother? i would say so.but you can't accept that. wonder why that would be. i guess being closed minded is a prerequisite for your kind of faith

Time to get off this merry-go-round boys and girls...I made my points..You choose to reject them. Perfectly within your right. Just remember this: there will come a time when your minds will be open. I look forward to working with all of you then.....

 

[Autodidact]

Jesus obeyed them perfectly in the eyes of God but not in the eyes of your spiritual protoges (Pharisees and Scribes). They were "spiritual drill sergeants" who placed such a burden on the people by adding additional requirements to the law which God commanded against (Deut 4:2). Not to mention their other evil deeds which Jesus exposed. It's no wonder why He chastised them as often as He did. And it comes as no surprise why you would "strain a gnat" to dismiss Him as the Messiah.

You can take your anti-semitic preaching somewhere else, james. If you're interested in discussion or debate, this is NOT how to do it.

1. Here's the commandment. Here's Jesus' action--as described by His followers. These actions break the commandments. Therefore He broke the commandment. Anything after that is your rationalization that allows you to maintain your religion. It's special pleading, pure and simple, which is not surprising. Christianity needs it, because, for historical reasons, it's built into its core.

2. What's really innacurate is describing the rabbis as literalists who insist on the letter of the law without fulfilling its spirit. This view can only be held if you are ignorant of the Talmud, which always does the opposite. In Judaism, any commandment can/should/must be broken to save a life.

As far as the Messiah, argument, start a thread so the well-educated Jews in this thread, of which I am not one, can blow your hypothesis to smithereens. If there's one thing Jesus isn't, it's the Messiah. In any case, here it's a red herring, since it's not the subject of this thread.

 

[Autodidact]

That's ok by me. I wish the Pharisees would have placed Jesus on their ignore list. Remember you are the one who abruptly interrupted a conversation between auto and I and instigated the debate in post #96 by accusing Jesus of breaking the 5th commandment which is an insult to Christians.

This is an open forum, james, not a private conversation. Harmonious has been remarkably patient and tolerant with you--much more than me. You would benefit greatly from learning from his well-informed and extremely polite posts.

You may not like it, but the fact of the matter is, Jesus violated this commandment. I understand you have excuses and rationalizations for why you think it was o.k. for Him to do so, but that does not change the fact that He did. If you find this fact an insult, then be insulted by reality--at least, as conveyed in the gospels.

 

[Autodidact]

God would not have said this:

2Pe 1:17-18 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." 18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

So you presume, but it's really not up to you, is it, to try to parse what God might have meant. God might be well pleased, despite His beloved Son having sinned, not unlike the prodigal son. It doesn't change the facts, as set forth in your scripture.

 

[Autodidact]

Just remember this: there will come a time when your minds will be open. I look forward to working with all of you then.....

Really? Tell me more about this time, and how you know about it.

 

[Gloone]

Here are a few simple commandments that Jewish people choose not to follow or understand when it came to Jesus.

1. To emulate His ways Deut. 28:9
2. To love other Jews Lev. 19:18
3. Not to hate fellow Jews Lev. 19:17
4. To reprove a sinner Lev. 19:17
5. Not to embarrass others Lev. 19:17

My money is that Jesus mother tried to embarrass him while he was preaching or doing w/e it was he was doing.

 

[fallingblood]

Here are a few simple commandments that Jewish people choose not to follow or understand when it came to Jesus.

1. To emulate His ways Deut. 28:9
2. To love other Jews Lev. 19:18
3. Not to hate fellow Jews Lev. 19:17
4. To reprove a sinner Lev. 19:17
5. Not to embarrass others Lev. 19:17

My money is that Jesus mother tried to embarrass him while he was preaching or doing w/e it was he was doing.

I don't think there was anything about embarrassing Jesus. I believe we are told that his family thought he was mad. But that is completely besides the point as it doesn't justify anything.

 

[Autodidact]

Here are a few simple commandments that Jewish people choose not to follow or understand when it came to Jesus.

What does this anti-semitic slander have to do with the subject of this thread?

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imitatio_dei

   To emulate His ways Deut. 28:9

   Deuteronomy, the passage where we are reminded to "hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all His commandments which I command thee this day" That Deuteronomy? http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=Deut. &verse=28:9&src=HE

2. To love other Jews Lev. 19:18

   What support do you have for this slander?http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=Lev. &verse=19:18&src=HE

3. Not to hate fellow Jews Lev. 19:17

   Or this one? http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=Lev. &verse=19:17&src=HE

4. To reprove a sinner Lev. 19:17

   Are you asserting that Christians do a better job of this than Jews? On what do you base that?http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=Lev. &verse=19:17&src=HE
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashon_hara

   Not to embarrass others Lev. 19:17

   What on earth are you talking about?http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=Lev. &verse=19:17&src=HE

My money is that Jesus mother tried to embarrass him while he was preaching or doing w/e it was he was doing.

Hmmm...don't find that in my copy of the gospels. Are you just making stuff up now? Or blaming Mary for Jesus' sin?

 

[Gloone]

What does this anti-semitic slander have to do with the subject of this thread?

Your opinion is noted and it is a very bad one at that. I don’t hate Jewish people for not recognizing the laws of their own religion. I am not even a Jewish person either so I must have good standing in Gods book when it comes to tolerating a lot of this nonsense.

Deuteronomy, the passage where we are reminded to "hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all His commandments which I command thee this day" That Deuteronomy?

I gave you a link.

What support do you have for this slander?

All the angry responders I get to my posts in this thread.

Or this one?

See what I posted above.

Are you asserting that Christians do a better job of this than Jews? On what do you base that?

Depends. A real Christian might. A sinner won’t.

Hmmm...don't find that in my copy of the gospels. Are you just making stuff up now? Or blaming Mary for Jesus' sin?

Really, well I don’t find anywhere in the bible that Jesus embarrassed his mother either.

 

[Autodidact]

Y
Depends. A real Christian might. A sinner won’t.

Not interested in talking to an anti-semite any more. Bye.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Here are a few simple commandments that Jewish people choose not to follow or understand when it came to Jesus.

1. To emulate His ways Deut. 28:9
2. To love other Jews Lev. 19:18
3. Not to hate fellow Jews Lev. 19:17
4. To reprove a sinner Lev. 19:17
5. Not to embarrass others Lev. 19:17

My money is that Jesus mother tried to embarrass him while he was preaching or doing w/e it was he was doing.

Funny... it can be said that Jesus violated all of those laws himself.

 

[Gloone]

Funny... it can be said that Jesus violated all of those laws himself.

No it can't.

 

[Gloone]

Not interested in talking to an anti-semite any more. Bye.

Well debate and you will not have to resort to name calling.

 

[Poisonshady313]

No it can't.

It most certainly can. It was clear that he didn't love many of his fellow Jews, insulting them in a most embarrassing manner... and then there was the humiliation of the canaanite woman... the disrespect he had for the elders and/or Torah scholars... this whole talk about Jesus dishonoring his mother isn't the one and only sin we can pin on Jesus. He was a rather unpleasant fellow. Far from perfect, I find it an honor to be described as being nothing like Jesus. He not only showed disrespect, but he encouraged others to do the same... like the man he denied to go and bury his dead father, that instead he should follow Jesus. What an awful man Jesus was.

 

[Autodidact]

Well debate and you will not have to resort to name calling.

Good-bye.

 

[Gloone]

It most certainly can. It was clear that he didn't love many of his fellow Jews, insulting them in a most embarrassing manner... and then there was the humiliation of the canaanite woman... the disrespect he had for the elders and/or Torah scholars... this whole talk about Jesus dishonoring his mother isn't the one and only sin we can pin on Jesus. He was a rather unpleasant fellow. Far from perfect, I find it an honor to be described as being nothing like Jesus. He not only showed disrespect, but he encouraged others to do the same... like the man he denied to go and bury his dead father, that instead he should follow Jesus. What an awful man Jesus was.

So do you view Jesus as some type of anti-god or Antichrist? Do you think Jesus tried to spread a anti-Judaism philosophy?