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Can Muslims take women as slaves and then rape them?

SA Huguenot

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
But then, the point is that the bible or the koran
supply all the justification any good believer needs,
if they want to enslave, kill, or rape someone.
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I love it how you hold yourself so high and mighty, where you allow yourself to say what you want with innuendo's as you please.
But, as soon as I show you on your error, you ignore everything you said, and tries to make it non of your doing.
There is your words where I challenge you to show me where the Bible say I can "enslave, kill, or rape someone"

Come, show me where My God Jesus Christ instructs any Christian to do so!
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
SA Huguenot said:
I love it how you hold yourself so high and mighty, where you allow yourself to say what you want with innuendo's as you please.
But, as soon as I show you on your error, you ignore everything you said, and tries to make it non of your doing.
There is your words where I challenge you to show me where the Bible say I can "enslave, kill, or rape someone"

Come, show me where My God Jesus Christ instructs any Christian to do so!
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I see you did not respond to my previous post.;.
What would be news would be for you to have
the honesty to
I will wait for you to behave a little better.

Now you are doing worse. making up ridiculous
lies about me and absurd phony claims about your
own prowess.

Respond honestly to my request-

post my entire quote,not your
bowdlerized version.

Or I will ignore anything else you say,
figuring you have demonstrated you
are incapable of even the most basic sort
of honesty.








 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
2ndpillar said:
An Imam has told his congregation in Wales that war is approaching and Islam allows them to take women as slaves and rape them.
UK Imam: War is Coming, Muslims Can Take Women As Sex Slaves

Is this a preamble to Zechariah 14:3 ?

Zechariah 14:2 2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
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sooda said:
That already happened. Arabs, Syrians and Persians fought with the Roman Legions in 70 AD.

If you are concerned about rape in warfare. Look at the number of rapes in occupied Berlin at the end of WW2.
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I have the feeling @2ndpillar means that it's not good that "rape is condoned" using Islam (or any other religion)
I believe it is important to speak out this big injustice done by so called religious men in the name of their religion.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
Audie said:
But then, the point is that the bible or the koran
supply all the justification any good believer needs,
if they want to enslave, kill, or rape someone.
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SA Huguenot said:
Thats news, Please show me where Jesus instructs me to rape, torture pimp and kill.
I will wait
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There are plenty of verses in the Bible that can be interpreted in a very negative way
And the effect can be horrible, as illustrated by the experience below

It was not long ago that witches were burned alive ... all because of some Bible verses
The Baptist Church I visited some time ago, were really against "magic", even Reiki
And even against homoeopathy. And they used all Bible verses to prove why

Like @Audie said: Bible and Koran provide all the justification any "good" believer needs, if they want to enslave, kill or rape someone

If history is not proof enough for you, then no proof will ever be good enough I think

Here in Holland I went to a Baptist Church
There was a Pastor speaking on Islam. He belittled Islam and Muslims.
Afterwards I went to him and told him I did not like him belittling Islam and Muslims

He got really irritated when I told him my opinion, and said to me "The Bible tells me that I can do anything if it's for Jesus"
I replied "So it's okay for you to kill me, as long as it is done with the Bible"
Yes, he replied that is what I believe

So I told him "If that is your final opinion,then I will never talk, look or shake hands with you again"

Afterwards he did feel bad about what he said, so came to me many times to shake my hands
But I was not interested. Only after he gave a public talk and was friendly speaking on Islam and Muslims
I went to him and told him that I liked his speech
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stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
stvdv said:
"how you write this" seems not fair to women (I am a man, but even I can feel that).

Better to say IMO:"Men in those days were worse than animals, raping women. That is the reason a woman could not survive alone in Arabia".

How you phrased it gives me the feeling "woman need man to survive in Arabia". How I see it "Women need men to stop raping women".
The true context is essential and should not be left out IMO. No need to make men of these days look nice (not barbaric).

Many Muslim picture Muhammad also as a fine young man. Reality is that he seemed not to have stopped his soldiers from raping women, instead encouraging them "no coitus interruptus", meaning they even get a child from the rape, so their emotional life is even more messed up (remembering everyday the rape that happened in the past). Must be horror for women in these days. We should tell the truth, otherwise these horrors continue to happen. They still do. Priests rape boys, nuns rape girls, and I have no illusion that Islam is any better (especially in those days).
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sooda said:
If you had seen Arabia before the oil age, you'd know why women couldn't survive without a family.
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Again I get the feeling that you missed my point
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
stvdv said:
There are plenty of verses in the Bible that can be interpreted in a very negative way
And the effect can be horrible, as illustrated by the experience below
. And they used all Bible verses to prove why,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Like @Audie said: Bible and Koran provide all the justification any "good" believer needs, if they want to enslave, kill or rape someone

If history is not proof enough for you, then no proof will ever be good enough I think
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Of course, our hero there deliberately
misrepresented what I'd said
with this phony question-

Please show me where Jesus instructs me to rape, torture pimp and kill.

No point talking to someone who is dishonest.
 
W

Wasp

Active Member
England my lionheart said:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:137

Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: "I entered the mosque and saw Abu Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu said, "We went out with Allah's messenger for the Ghazwa (attack upon) Banu Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus we said "How can we do coitus interruptus without asking Allah's messenger while he is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:459

This is nothing out of the ordinary for ancient cultures.
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Are you concerned about the birth control aspect? It isn't prohibited, but some consider it disliked.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
Wasp said:
If it did it wouldn't need to be mentioned separately in the Quran.
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I don't know whether you are a Muslim or not. I'm not. I an Episcopalian who lived in the ME long enough to recognize BS from keyboard experts.
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Wasp said:
Are you concerned about the birth control aspect? It isn't prohibited, but some consider it disliked.
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The fact that you can own another human being is concerning enough,raping them and whether to practice coitus being the main concern of the hadith is deplorable at the very least.
 
W

Wasp

Active Member
England my lionheart said:
The fact that you can own another human being is concerning enough,raping them and whether to practice coitus being the main concern of the hadith is deplorable at the very least.
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Why did you choose to quote the Hadith if you're not pleased with its main concern? The Hadith doesn't mention rape anywhere.
 
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