Can Muslims take women as slaves and then rape them?

[England my lionheart]

Why did you choose to quote the Hadith if you're not pleased with its main concern? The Hadith doesn't mention rape anywhere.

Exactly,that's the point.

 

[Wasp]

Exactly,that's the point.

Why was this randomly chosen hadith supposed to mention rape?

 

[England my lionheart]

Why was this randomly chosen hadith supposed to mention rape?

No it doesn't mention rape,it ignores rape and the focus is on whether to practice coitus interruptus or not,these women are slaves,it's not like they are free to say no!,this was true for many ancient cultures,it occurs in the Bible too but it still doesn't make it right.

 

[sooda]

If it did it wouldn't need to be mentioned separately in the Quran.

Islam encouraged the freeing of slaves and protection of war widows.

 

[Wasp]

No it doesn't mention rape,it ignores rape and the focus is on whether to practice coitus interruptus or not,these women are slaves,it's not like they are free to say no!,this was true for many ancient cultures,it occurs in the Bible too but it still doesn't make it right.

What rape?

You do know that some captive women want to have sex? And you also read what I posted earlier about the law at that time? And you also know that only one man, the master, can be intimate with the captive? And you know this can't happen until the captive has been assigned to him? And you know there are several versions of this same hadith that are a little bit different from one to another - which might give you perspective.

 

[sooda]

Why was this randomly chosen hadith supposed to mention rape?

Doesn't what your right hand possess also mean persons under your guardianship?

 

[Wasp]

Islam encouraged the freeing of slaves and protection of war widows.

Yes. That doesn't relate well to what I said.

 

[sooda]

Yes. That doesn't relate well to what I said.

I am getting lost in this discussion.

 

[Wasp]

Doesn't what your right hand possess also mean persons under your guardianship?

No, certainly not in the Qur'an.

 

[Wasp]

I am getting lost in this discussion.

I am refuting your claim there needs to be marriage to be intimate with a captive.

 

[sooda]

I am refuting your claim there needs to be marriage to be intimate with a captive.

I thought she couldn't already be married???

 

[Wasp]

I thought she couldn't already be married???

She can't have a valid marriage with the husband also captured. If her marriage is considered valid then no one can be intimate with her.

 

[sooda]

1. What is the meaning of "people that your right hands ...
   www.islamandquran.org/fatwas/what-is-the-meaning-of-people-that-your-right-hand...
   Apr 15, 2013 · What is the real meaning of "(people) that your right hands possess"? Does this mean that Islam allows for slave trade and allow men to exploit females that work in his house? In Arabic, the term “ma malakat aymanukum” (ما ملكت أيمانكم) means “people under your guardianship”. This includes 2 groups of people:
   

 

[Wasp]

1. What is the meaning of "people that your right hands ...
   www.islamandquran.org/fatwas/what-is-the-meaning-of-people-that-your-right-hand...
   Apr 15, 2013 · What is the real meaning of "(people) that your right hands possess"? Does this mean that Islam allows for slave trade and allow men to exploit females that work in his house? In Arabic, the term “ma malakat aymanukum” (ما ملكت أيمانكم) means “people under your guardianship”. This includes 2 groups of people:

To be clear, you read the article and it's clear now, or are you trying to say something?

 

[England my lionheart]

What rape?

You do know that some captive women want to have sex? And you also read what I posted earlier about the law at that time? And you also know that only one man, the master, can be intimate with the captive? And you know this can't happen until the captive has been assigned to him? And you know there are several versions of this same hadith that are a little bit different from one to another - which might give you perspective.

In short she is still a captive,being "assigned to him",she is still a captive being held against her will,after all that's what a captive is right?.

There are many Hadith of course,not all are agreed on,some seem cherry picked to prove or make a precedent to do whatever one wishes,some say that if it different in intent to what's in the Quran it is nullified,what your right hand posseses is difficult in this instance imo.

 

[sooda]

To be clear, you read the article and it's clear now, or are you trying to say something?

I think your explanation helped clear it up for me.

 

[Wasp]

In short she is still a captive,being "assigned to him",she is still a captive being held against her will,after all that's what a captive is right?.

There are many Hadith of course,not all are agreed on,some seem cherry picked to prove or make a precedent to do whatever one wishes,some say that if it different in intent to what's in the Quran it is nullified,what your right hand posseses is difficult in this instance imo.

I forgot to mention the Iddat.

How is what your right hands possess difficult in this instance?

Yes, it is unfortunate those women were captives. It would have been even more unfortunate for them to be left in a destroyed village somewhere with no one to care for them, protect them or give a satisfying life for them. It would also have been more unfortunate to be treated the way they were before Islam. Or the way they still are in places where people don't follow such rules as set in Islam.

 

[Notanumber]

She can't have a valid marriage with the husband also captured. If her marriage is considered valid then no one can be intimate with her.

Unless the Muslim kills her husband of course.

 

[SugarOcean]

An Imam has told his congregation in Wales that war is approaching and Islam allows them to take women as slaves and rape them.
UK Imam: War is Coming, Muslims Can Take Women As Sex Slaves

Is this a preamble to Zechariah 14:3 ?

Zechariah 14:2 2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

Europe, particularly England,will have to deal with the surge that was allowed to enter their country under "refugee" status; Muslims.
A genius vehicle ISIS conceived was to know the thinking of western minds. Making for unbearable conditions in Syria and elsewhere in the ME where ISIS wrought their evil, ISIS knew fleeing people would be deemed refugees by western nations. And western empathy would let them into their own countries.

ISIS accomplished what the Muslim wars of history failed to. They invaded Europe at European tax payers own expense. They're in America too.

To answer your OP question, yes!
Surah Al-Mu'minun [23]

 

[SugarOcean]

That already happened. Arabs, Syrians and Persians fought with the Roman Legions in 70 AD.

If you are concerned about rape in warfare. Look at the number of rapes in occupied Berlin at the end of WW2.

Please provide sources to support your statement.